NYT on How Biden Lost the Election due to Immigration Policy

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Anonymous wrote:Anger over illegal migration helped return Mr. Trump to the presidency, and he has enacted even more aggressive policies than those Mr. Biden first campaigned against.

But a New York Times examination of Mr. Biden’s record found that he and his closest advisers repeatedly rebuffed recommendations that could have addressed the border crisis faster, and eased what became a potent issue for Mr. Trump as he sought to return to the White House and justify the aggressive tactics roiling American cities today.

Former Biden administration officials told The Times that Mr. Biden and his circle of close confidants — including Ron Klain, who was chief of staff during the president’s first two years, Mike Donilon, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon and Anita Dunn — made two crucial errors.

First, they underestimated the scale of migration that was coming. Second, they failed to appreciate the political reaction to that migration — believing that stronger enforcement would alienate Latino and progressive voters, and also that a border surge would not be an important issue to most voters. Those calculations would later prove to be mistaken, with many voters, including Latinos, citing immigration as a reason for supporting Mr. Trump in 2024.

This is the crux of the issue. They cared more about re-election, party power, than what is right by the American people.

Two wrongs still don't make a right. All of the political momentum Biden gifted the GOP has quickly been pissed away by Trump's careless immigration crackdown.

disagree

many many swing voters are happy with the immigration crackdown.

mayorkas and Biden screwed the US voters. now we have Trump and his chaos.

Lol... and this explains why Trump, in the first year of his second term, is already as unpopular as Biden was in 2024. Think before posting such nonsense.

Trump can’t run again, so his popularity doesn’t matter. And congress popularity has been in the toilet for decades.

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Trump actually secured the border during his first term and Biden really screwed up by reversing action. Now, the courts did play a role, but the numbers don’t lie: the border was wide open and people flooded in…and voters not only noticed, but felt it in communities across the country.

I still can’t understand why Dems didn’t read the room and come up with a plan, or at the very least messaging. It’s like they decided to go all in to cater to a subset of voters without checking what they really wanted.

And now we are dealing with a big overreaction by voters and ultimately Trump.

FTR, I’m a Dem whose day job includes left-leaning advocacy (including immigration). Nobody should be surprised by any of this. Sure, the Admin’s efforts to destroy our democracy and the rule of law are shocking, but everything related to immigration could have been anticipated and handled better.

Fast forward to today: the issues have escalated to a new level with the Somalian fraud and the Admin’s response. I think this will shift the conversation to assimilation and self-sufficiency. Voters are watching, and while they don’t like seeing hardworking people tossed out of the country, they absolutely aren’t interested in tolerating fraud (or crime).

No clue why Dems can’t read the room and respond accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

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Anonymous wrote:Articles like this fill me with even more contempt for the Democratic Party and stupid rags like the New York Times.

Throughout the election, the New York Times gaslighted voters and ran near-daily articles characterizing concerns about Biden's immigration policy as overblown and everything from Russian disinformation to uninformed MAGA talking points. They had all sorts of dubious graphics and charts showing the immigration problem was not that bad or was not Biden's fault. Meanwhile, people were seeing with their own eyeballs in major cities just how bad things were getting and were told their eyes were lying to them.

Now, they and the Democratic machine confess that they knew the whole time that Biden's immigration policies worsened the problem, but they did nothing but lie to and name call voters. Screw these people.

+1

The NYT was never critical during the Biden years.

It has always been a tool of the elite.

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Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

Not really, and I'm not a Trump supporter. If you, your community, and schools were impacted, you'd understand why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

Actually, no the whole world doesn't feel this way. Europe is dealing with its own immigration crisis - after lambasting countries like Hungary that resisted the open borders during the first Trump term.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

Actually, no the whole world doesn't feel this way. Europe is dealing with its own immigration crisis - after lambasting countries like Hungary that resisted the open borders during the first Trump term.

+1!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

Ask folks in London.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

Well, the whole world, including most Americans, feels that way about them after this past election.

Ask folks in London.

London doesn't care about American immigration policy. It has its own immigration problems, but hasn't woken up to the reality that its open border policy was a bad idea. Instead, it has implemented online speech codes to prevent criticism. Orwell was prescient when he wrote “In the end, we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible." Then again, the UK might focus more on the idea that “We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.”

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. How rich, coming from MAGA NYT. That's a historical retelling.

Also, is there any reason this shoddy paper won't focus on the tyrant with dementia who is bankrupting America for his personal gain? Seriously, I'd line the cat box with this garbage, if I had either a subscription or a cat.

https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-inconsistent-narrative-selection-and-framing-that-tends-to-favor-republicans/

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why are they writing about ANYONE besides the fascist madman-in-chief????????????

Presumably any mainstream media sources do cover the awful deeds of the fascist madman and that's what I've observed. Otherwise, looking back to identify reasons a team, person, or entity lost in competition is the most logical thing to do in order to be more prepared in the future.

Looking back is pure folly, theatrics. The only way to look is forward. Nothing will ever be the same in our lifetimes and the NYT, if it was serious about reporting for the masses and not the party of one, would understand this. This should be evident to any thinking person…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Articles like this fill me with even more contempt for the Democratic Party and stupid rags like the New York Times.

Throughout the election, the New York Times gaslighted voters and ran near-daily articles characterizing concerns about Biden's immigration policy as overblown and everything from Russian disinformation to uninformed MAGA talking points. They had all sorts of dubious graphics and charts showing the immigration problem was not that bad or was not Biden's fault. Meanwhile, people were seeing with their own eyeballs in major cities just how bad things were getting and were told their eyes were lying to them.

Now, they and the Democratic machine confess that they knew the whole time that Biden's immigration policies worsened the problem, but they did nothing but lie to and name call voters. Screw these people.

Is this a joke? Look at the link on page 1. They lambasted Hillary, but not Trump. They’ve never known how to report on Trump, to the Dems detriment for TEN YEARS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

By traditional measures if not contemporary ones, I have always been a liberal Democrat. But I have come to recognize that unchecked, unmanaged immigration, both legal and illegal, has had a terrible effect on our society. A little immigration is healthy, interesting, and economically useful, especially when immigrants are thoroughly vetted to ensure that they will quickly assimilate and contribute. A lot of immigration, especially when it comes from countries that do not share our western traditions and values, simply dilutes and overwhelms a culture.

I now recognize that I was badly mistaken on the issue of immigration. Democrats need to hold themselves similarly accountable for these errors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL. How rich, coming from MAGA NYT. That's a historical retelling.

Also, is there any reason this shoddy paper won't focus on the tyrant with dementia who is bankrupting America for his personal gain? Seriously, I'd line the cat box with this garbage, if I had either a subscription or a cat.

https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-inconsistent-narrative-selection-and-framing-that-tends-to-favor-republicans/

+1

why are they writing about ANYONE besides the fascist madman-in-chief????????????

Presumably any mainstream media sources do cover the awful deeds of the fascist madman and that's what I've observed. Otherwise, looking back to identify reasons a team, person, or entity lost in competition is the most logical thing to do in order to be more prepared in the future.

Looking back is pure folly, theatrics. The only way to look is forward. Nothing will ever be the same in our lifetimes and the NYT, if it was serious about reporting for the masses and not the party of one, would understand this. This should be evident to any thinking person…

Agreed

And yet not a single democrat has changed and advocated for less immigration

Not a single One

Hundreds of thousands of layoffs and the party of labor keeps pushing for more h1bs. Some democrats want to expand h1bs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Articles like this fill me with even more contempt for the Democratic Party and stupid rags like the New York Times.

Throughout the election, the New York Times gaslighted voters and ran near-daily articles characterizing concerns about Biden's immigration policy as overblown and everything from Russian disinformation to uninformed MAGA talking points. They had all sorts of dubious graphics and charts showing the immigration problem was not that bad or was not Biden's fault. Meanwhile, people were seeing with their own eyeballs in major cities just how bad things were getting and were told their eyes were lying to them.

Now, they and the Democratic machine confess that they knew the whole time that Biden's immigration policies worsened the problem, but they did nothing but lie to and name call voters. Screw these people.

Is this a joke? Look at the link on page 1. They lambasted Hillary, but not Trump. They’ve never known how to report on Trump, to the Dems detriment for TEN YEARS.

How is what you wrote a response to what I wrote?