Holton parents - you have got to help your girls out with these skirts.

[Anonymous]

Sheesh - I was expecting some pearl clutching/feigned outrage but you're right...those are super short! I'd feel so self-conscious to bend over or sit...

My daughter has that same uniform skirt (for a different school) - when worn at the natural waistline, or even rolled once, it is no where near that short! And she is tall. Those girls must be rolling those waistbands like mad!

https://www.landsend.com/products/school-uniform-girls-plaid-box-pleat-skirt-top-of-the-knee/id_364666?attributes=32683,45133,52957&schoolStoreNum=900117060&grade=10&gender=1

[Anonymous]

I don’t think the argument that they are showing the same amount they’d show in a thong at the beach is really getting you what you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. It's a private school. Choose a different school if it bothers you so much. Go to a different coffeeshop. Stop policing girls' and women's bodies!

Nobody is policing their bodies. But nobody wants to see their a$$ cheeks hanging out in your face when you’re sitting a coffee shop and they’re standing in front of you. Get a grip.

Yeah, nutcase, I’m not going to stop going to my neighborhood coffee shop because you refuse to address sending your kid to school, not the beach, school, and in public, in her swimwear and insist we are all being so crazy if we object to seeing their as$ cheeks. It’s actually illegal to go outside with your as& out. That’s the issue. The actual police may well be policing your ridiculous choices.

LOL let me know the next time police pick up a rich private school girl for wearing a short skirt.

Does that make it totally cool to promote nudity in public?

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Anonymous wrote:When we toured Holton last year, my daughter thought that the uber-short skirts and rules against wearing pants until winter contradicted the school’s messaging about empowering girls. She chose a different (co-ed) school where we see a variety of skirt and shorts lengths, as well as plenty of girls wearing sweatpants, joggers and jeans.

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My daughter would be so self-conscious and uncomfortable in those skirts. We are working on her personal confidence and feeling comfortable with her (tiny! cute!) body — not that I *want* her wearing skimpy clothes, but I do want her to feel confident and happy with herself, whatever she chooses to wear — but she’s not there now. She would hate those skirts.

+2, I think the uniform leads to self-selection of certain personality types at the school (and makes girls who don't have those personality types coming from the lower school want to leave). It is just not inclusive.

What kind of personality is that? And are people here agreeing that it's the skirt themselves, as provided through the clothing vendor, that are the problem? Or are acceptable uniforms being sized down or altered to make them inappropriate?

DP but the skirt itself, as shown on the website, is not appropriate for school. But it's the school that chooses the uniform, and it shows a lack of discernment to pick out some kind of hentai-inspired silhouette for pubescent students.

This.

I will admit that until now I assumed it was on the girls, and figured they were rolling their skirts ridiculously (and — mostly silently — judging them for it). I hadn’t ever bothered to look at Hilton’s website. It’s certainly eye-opening. This isn’t on the girls, apparently, it’s on the school.

[Anonymous]

As with most things Holton, this board is crazy. The uniform skirts are from Lands End. They are not short by design but yes girls do roll them up. Some like them short and some do not (as is the case across this country with girls schools and uniform skirts). Most girls (but obviously not all) wear shorts under their skirts everyday- often their actual gym shorts to cut down on changing time for sports. Once fall hits and they are allowed to wear sweatpants, most of them wear those under their skirts everyday. The uniform is sloppy but overall it is not revealing for the majority of girls. Stop worrying about what other girls are doing and focus on getting your own child to dress how you want them to dress.

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Anonymous wrote:As with most things Holton, this board is crazy. The uniform skirts are from Lands End. They are not short by design but yes girls do roll them up. Some like them short and some do not (as is the case across this country with girls schools and uniform skirts). Most girls (but obviously not all) wear shorts under their skirts everyday- often their actual gym shorts to cut down on changing time for sports. Once fall hits and they are allowed to wear sweatpants, most of them wear those under their skirts everyday. The uniform is sloppy but overall it is not revealing for the majority of girls. Stop worrying about what other girls are doing and focus on getting your own child to dress how you want them to dress.

As another anecdote, my child chose not to attend HA despite it being in her back yard in part because of the girls she had seen about town looking like toddlers and tiaras extras. Focus on your kid reflecting a positive image for the school you’ve paid for her to attend. It’s damaging the school.

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Anonymous wrote:When we toured Holton last year, my daughter thought that the uber-short skirts and rules against wearing pants until winter contradicted the school’s messaging about empowering girls. She chose a different (co-ed) school where we see a variety of skirt and shorts lengths, as well as plenty of girls wearing sweatpants, joggers and jeans.

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My daughter would be so self-conscious and uncomfortable in those skirts. We are working on her personal confidence and feeling comfortable with her (tiny! cute!) body — not that I *want* her wearing skimpy clothes, but I do want her to feel confident and happy with herself, whatever she chooses to wear — but she’s not there now. She would hate those skirts.

+2, I think the uniform leads to self-selection of certain personality types at the school (and makes girls who don't have those personality types coming from the lower school want to leave). It is just not inclusive.

What kind of personality is that? And are people here agreeing that it's the skirt themselves, as provided through the clothing vendor, that are the problem? Or are acceptable uniforms being sized down or altered to make them inappropriate?

It's a Lands End skirt that probably thousands of schools have as their uniform. But most schools don't allow it to be rolled up so far/worn so short.

[Anonymous]

So funny!

The girls roll their skirts or just hem them up. One of the Qs I get regularly at the beginning of school - from mothers - is where can I get my daughter’s skirts hemmed?

Some girls wear shorts underneath and some don’t.

And no, it’s not pervy or body-shaming to notice when a girl’s underwear is showing in public.

It’s the girls and their parents. Not the school.

Though HA could actually police the dress code in the warmer months.

[Anonymous]

This is an issue in every single Catholic high school. It is not going away unless there are real consequences at the school level.

[Anonymous]

I don’t worry about anyone’s butt but mine.

I confess I was mildly scandalized by the website photo though haha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an issue in every single Catholic high school. It is not going away unless there are real consequences at the school level.

Holton isn’t Catholic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So funny!

The girls roll their skirts or just hem them up. One of the Qs I get regularly at the beginning of school - from mothers - is where can I get my daughter’s skirts hemmed?

Some girls wear shorts underneath and some don’t.

And no, it’s not pervy or body-shaming to notice when a girl’s underwear is showing in public.

It’s the girls and their parents. Not the school.

Though HA could actually police the dress code in the warmer months.

SSSAS students would be happy to lend out their dean of students, who is currently on some kind of holy war against dress code violations.

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Anonymous wrote:When we toured Holton last year, my daughter thought that the uber-short skirts and rules against wearing pants until winter contradicted the school’s messaging about empowering girls. She chose a different (co-ed) school where we see a variety of skirt and shorts lengths, as well as plenty of girls wearing sweatpants, joggers and jeans.

+1
My daughter would be so self-conscious and uncomfortable in those skirts. We are working on her personal confidence and feeling comfortable with her (tiny! cute!) body — not that I *want* her wearing skimpy clothes, but I do want her to feel confident and happy with herself, whatever she chooses to wear — but she’s not there now. She would hate those skirts.

+2, I think the uniform leads to self-selection of certain personality types at the school (and makes girls who don't have those personality types coming from the lower school want to leave). It is just not inclusive.

What kind of personality is that? And are people here agreeing that it's the skirt themselves, as provided through the clothing vendor, that are the problem? Or are acceptable uniforms being sized down or altered to make them inappropriate?

DP but the skirt itself, as shown on the website, is not appropriate for school. But it's the school that chooses the uniform, and it shows a lack of discernment to pick out some kind of hentai-inspired silhouette for pubescent students.

I see the website picture. My question is whether those skirts were altered from how they were delivered to the students.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an issue in every single Catholic high school. It is not going away unless there are real consequences at the school level.

Holton isn’t Catholic.

It is supposed to be a progressive girls school, so we are supposed to look away when they encourage wearing thong bottoms with belts over them out n about or ooo bad woman’s choices shaming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sheesh - I was expecting some pearl clutching/feigned outrage but you're right...those are super short! I'd feel so self-conscious to bend over or sit...

My daughter has that same uniform skirt (for a different school) - when worn at the natural waistline, or even rolled once, it is no where near that short! And she is tall. Those girls must be rolling those waistbands like mad!

https://www.landsend.com/products/school-uniform-girls-plaid-box-pleat-skirt-top-of-the-knee/id_364666?attributes=32683,45133,52957&schoolStoreNum=900117060&grade=10&gender=1

Yeah I clicked expecting to roll my eyes at the “It’s a belt not a skirt!” comment, but PP was correct.