Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

[Anonymous]

That is the only thing we can thing off. Kid 2 who didnt get in basically aced the TSA. Kid 1 did well, but not as well. It had to be the tutor. Kid 2 was devastated….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is the only thing we can thing off. Kid 2 who didnt get in basically aced the TSA. Kid 1 did well, but not as well. It had to be the tutor. Kid 2 was devastated….

Yep, so was my kid #2. But #2 was accepted at great US schools, including T10, and has thrived.

Holistic admission is a big black box in US admissions, and interviews are a black box for Oxbridge (esp. in humanities and social sciences).

That said, I always thought life was tough for Harvard grads: many of them reach their peak with admission at 17 and life goes downhill from there. So getting rejected from one's first choice college may be a blessing in disguise.

My older DC, who was accepted to Oxford, would have preferred Princeton. Life goes on!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

These averages make a lot more sense. I went back 10 years of CUG, Guardian and The Times. Despite minor movement here and there on the top 10, these have been pretty much static for 10 years.

I didnt realize that until I went back and looked at the rankings too. You are right. Barely any movement in the top 5-6. Im just surprised they rank Kings so low. I konw it is a huge uni, but wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. we hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

[Anonymous]

In a different DCUM colleges thread, some people wrote about their children attending Exeter.

Maybe use search on Exeter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. we hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

Two of the schools my son applied to were Bristol and Exeter. Exeter is a beautiful campus. In our opinions, the most American like campus we visited in the UK. Lots of green, newer facilities. Great business school with great placement in London. They rolled the red carpet when we visited. They also have a couple of scholarships available for internationals that could end up being almost 40% of the Tuition. It is a steal. Highly recommend visiting. Nearby beaches are nice. Great town.

Bristol is a fun city. But it gets expensive if you are not in a hall (dorm). If your son is entrepreneurial, they have this 4-yr Integrated Masters in Innovation degree that combines Innovation/Entrepreneurship with either Business, Engineering, etc. It is an amazing program that is moving to a brand new state of art building in Bristol alongside the Business School. I would 100% check it out.

[Anonymous]

DS is at Bristol now for Engineering. He US options were T40 - t80 OOS with $45k tuition or privates at $70k with $15k of Merit Aid.

The decision to spend 3 years in Bristol at on the top Engineering programs at the UK was a no brainer when comparing the total cost to graduate.

Most of us Americans are made to believe that any American school is better than a foreign school even if they are charging us $50k + of Tuition per year for average schools….

[Anonymous]

You should join the other thread….

[Anonymous]

I’ll pass. No need to convince any parent to send their kid away. It is a personal choice….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. We hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

Bristol, Durham, York, Newcastle and Queens Belfast did a very good joint presentation last night in DC. No doubt they will come through again at some stage. Sure other British universities which will visit too.

Ten schools is a lot! Which are you planning to visit and why? I did a spring break trip with my son last year. I selected different types of uni settings to give him a sense of how they differed. Eg Durham as it had a more unique collegiate system, is a small town and the uni is a key feature; Leeds and Bristol for larger cities with uni facilities spread through the centre (ie no campus) and they feel like big places where the uni does not dominate; and Warwick with its separate modern campus.

Given the breadth of your son’s interest, maybe he should consider a combined degree. Many universities offer these. You can do a lot of research through UCAS. I know kids doing combined degrees at Manchester, Durham, Warwick and Edinburgh. My son has just started economics and finance at Edinburgh.

Be aware that some courses have different approaches at different universities. For example, some economics courses are definitely more ‘mathy’. My son was going to apply to Warwick which is one of the top schools for economics, but it turned out they had introduced a new requirement to do the TMUA math exam in order to apply and the timing did not work for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only two schools are considered tops, obviously: oxford and cambridge.

LSE also has a strong reputation, but only in the business world.

You really need to arrange for your child to escape the Nazi regime which trump/ Musk have turned the US into.

Look around you! Get out while you still can!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. We hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

Bristol, Durham, York, Newcastle and Queens Belfast did a very good joint presentation last night in DC. No doubt they will come through again at some stage. Sure other British universities which will visit too.

Ten schools is a lot! Which are you planning to visit and why? I did a spring break trip with my son last year. I selected different types of uni settings to give him a sense of how they differed. Eg Durham as it had a more unique collegiate system, is a small town and the uni is a key feature; Leeds and Bristol for larger cities with uni facilities spread through the centre (ie no campus) and they feel like big places where the uni does not dominate; and Warwick with its separate modern campus.

Given the breadth of your son’s interest, maybe he should consider a combined degree. Many universities offer these. You can do a lot of research through UCAS. I know kids doing combined degrees at Manchester, Durham, Warwick and Edinburgh. My son has just started economics and finance at Edinburgh.

Be aware that some courses have different approaches at different universities. For example, some economics courses are definitely more ‘mathy’. My son was going to apply to Warwick which is one of the top schools for economics, but it turned out they had introduced a new requirement to do the TMUA math exam in order to apply and the timing did not work for him.

Thank you. yes, the joint degrees are on his mind.

As of now we have highlighted these schools to tour in two separate weeks (fall and spring):
Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, York, Manchester, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews and maybe one or two more.

We will do the 1st half during Thanksgiving (Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, Southampton or Birmingham) then in the Spring Break (Manchester, York, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews). We will have 8 days to do 5 schools in each visit. Maybe we drop 1 each and do 4 and 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. We hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

Bristol, Durham, York, Newcastle and Queens Belfast did a very good joint presentation last night in DC. No doubt they will come through again at some stage. Sure other British universities which will visit too.

Ten schools is a lot! Which are you planning to visit and why? I did a spring break trip with my son last year. I selected different types of uni settings to give him a sense of how they differed. Eg Durham as it had a more unique collegiate system, is a small town and the uni is a key feature; Leeds and Bristol for larger cities with uni facilities spread through the centre (ie no campus) and they feel like big places where the uni does not dominate; and Warwick with its separate modern campus.

Given the breadth of your son’s interest, maybe he should consider a combined degree. Many universities offer these. You can do a lot of research through UCAS. I know kids doing combined degrees at Manchester, Durham, Warwick and Edinburgh. My son has just started economics and finance at Edinburgh.

Be aware that some courses have different approaches at different universities. For example, some economics courses are definitely more ‘mathy’. My son was going to apply to Warwick which is one of the top schools for economics, but it turned out they had introduced a new requirement to do the TMUA math exam in order to apply and the timing did not work for him.

Thank you. yes, the joint degrees are on his mind.

As of now we have highlighted these schools to tour in two separate weeks (fall and spring):
Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, York, Manchester, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews and maybe one or two more.

We will do the 1st half during Thanksgiving (Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, Southampton or Birmingham) then in the Spring Break (Manchester, York, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews). We will have 8 days to do 5 schools in each visit. Maybe we drop 1 each and do 4 and 4.

We did something similar. 4 unis in 7-8 is perfect as you can sleep one night at each place for your kid to get a better feeling of the atmosphere during the school year. Avoid doing this in the summer as students wont be there. What we did was my son found kids on instagram and connected before touring. His top 4 choices ended up (coincidentally maybe) being the ones where his instagram student contacts took him out the night we spent there. This was the best thing ever as he ended up experiencing it differently by interacting with students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

I know most on this board only talk about Oxbridge, St Andrews/Durham and LSE and Imperial/UC. But are there many Americans at these other highly ranked UK schools? Bath, Warwick, Lancaster, Bristol, Exeter, etc?

They look like amazing values, but I dont know much about them. DS is a sophomore and is talking about applying to UK universities. Would love to hear someone here with experience talk about these other universities. We plan to visit a couple of them with my son during thanksgiving week and then during spring break. We hope to hit at least 10 schools outside of London or Oxbridge. He is leaning Business/Management or Econ. But he also likes History and Politics.

Bristol, Durham, York, Newcastle and Queens Belfast did a very good joint presentation last night in DC. No doubt they will come through again at some stage. Sure other British universities which will visit too.

Ten schools is a lot! Which are you planning to visit and why? I did a spring break trip with my son last year. I selected different types of uni settings to give him a sense of how they differed. Eg Durham as it had a more unique collegiate system, is a small town and the uni is a key feature; Leeds and Bristol for larger cities with uni facilities spread through the centre (ie no campus) and they feel like big places where the uni does not dominate; and Warwick with its separate modern campus.

Given the breadth of your son’s interest, maybe he should consider a combined degree. Many universities offer these. You can do a lot of research through UCAS. I know kids doing combined degrees at Manchester, Durham, Warwick and Edinburgh. My son has just started economics and finance at Edinburgh.

Be aware that some courses have different approaches at different universities. For example, some economics courses are definitely more ‘mathy’. My son was going to apply to Warwick which is one of the top schools for economics, but it turned out they had introduced a new requirement to do the TMUA math exam in order to apply and the timing did not work for him.

Thank you. yes, the joint degrees are on his mind.

As of now we have highlighted these schools to tour in two separate weeks (fall and spring):
Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, York, Manchester, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews and maybe one or two more.

We will do the 1st half during Thanksgiving (Exeter, Bristol, Bath, Warwick, Southampton or Birmingham) then in the Spring Break (Manchester, York, Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrews). We will have 8 days to do 5 schools in each visit. Maybe we drop 1 each and do 4 and 4.

Just a heads up, York is a small city with some walk-only cobbled streets. It is not very busy but over Easter and in July it is often packed with tourists from the US (something like 4 x the normal population). Do not let this put you of as it is not year round.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. We have heard lovely things about York. We cant wait.