Miyares is right about discrimination

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

But legit question. What would you say is keeping black families from being statistically represented at TJ under the old admissions through demonstrated achievement and high test scores model?
Racism?
Discrimination?
Is there something keeping black, Hispanic, and white students in fcps from achieving the same high test results and merit standards as the Asian students? And what would that be?
Is it possible that the family’s focus and orientation in the home toward supporting and expecting high academic success plays a more significant role in Asian American households?
And if so, shouldn’t we be trying to study that and then encourage non-Asian families to emulate those values and practices to yield similar results rather than re-orient the entire admissions system to artificially capture different demographics?

You might start by looking at prep factories that appear to serve single racial demographics and cater exclusively to those who can afford thousands of dollars of their disposable income.

Additionally, we shouldn’t be incentivizing specialization at the age of 10-11 years old. Some kids are there naturally and that’s fine, but the old admissions process made parents feel as though they had to engage in objectively unhealthy behaviors just to keep up.

The TJ test prep industry doesn't just cater to just one race. There are a bunch of TJ admissions/test prep companies that try to drain money from all sorts of wealthy people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

But legit question. What would you say is keeping black families from being statistically represented at TJ under the old admissions through demonstrated achievement and high test scores model?
Racism?
Discrimination?
Is there something keeping black, Hispanic, and white students in fcps from achieving the same high test results and merit standards as the Asian students? And what would that be?
Is it possible that the family’s focus and orientation in the home toward supporting and expecting high academic success plays a more significant role in Asian American households?
And if so, shouldn’t we be trying to study that and then encourage non-Asian families to emulate those values and practices to yield similar results rather than re-orient the entire admissions system to artificially capture different demographics?

The biggest factor for academic achievement, at least with respect to TJ admissions, is family wealth.

That’s why before the admissions change only <1% of kids admitted came from low-income families. Even after the change, those kids are still at a huge disadvantage.

By allocating a small number of seats to all MSs, bright kids from high-FRE middle schools now have a shot of being admitted. Previously, it was nearly impossible for them to compete against kids from the affluent feeder schools that offered tons of STEM programming.

If wealth determined academic achievement then we wouldn't see the very wide disparity between whites and Asians.

There is an effort gap not a wealth gap

There were white kids at TJ, even before the change.

You know who wasn't there? Kids from low-income families. The most underrepresented group of all before the change.

Less than 1% of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family. Compare that to 36% of kids from FCPS qualify for free/reduced meals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

But legit question. What would you say is keeping black families from being statistically represented at TJ under the old admissions through demonstrated achievement and high test scores model?
Racism?
Discrimination?
Is there something keeping black, Hispanic, and white students in fcps from achieving the same high test results and merit standards as the Asian students? And what would that be?
Is it possible that the family’s focus and orientation in the home toward supporting and expecting high academic success plays a more significant role in Asian American households?
And if so, shouldn’t we be trying to study that and then encourage non-Asian families to emulate those values and practices to yield similar results rather than re-orient the entire admissions system to artificially capture different demographics?

I think most Americans view the hyper fixation that some Asian families place on academics as not a positive approach that needs modeling and further encouragement

Taking Algebra I in 7th and performing well on a test like PSAT 8/9, ACT Aspire, or SHSAT don't require hyper fixation on academics. They just require the kid to be reasonably smart and reasonably into academics. Yet, if these were used for TJ admissions, Asians would dominate.

I'm white, so I don't necessarily understand the degree to which Asian families are focused on academics. What I do see is that white people want to have their cake and eat it too. We rewrite the rules so that whenever we don't want our kids to put in the work, they still can get the accolades. I don't want my kids spending absurd amounts of time on outside academics, but I accept that my kids should lose out to the kids who are putting in the time and are objectively better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

RWNJs are pushing their nuttery hard today.

Getting nervous about November?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

RWNJs are pushing their nuttery hard today.

Getting nervous about November?

Trying to label easily-verifiable facts as “nuttery” exposes you as a mere left wing nut job and not a serious person, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

RWNJs are pushing their nuttery hard today.

Getting nervous about November?

democrats calling fellow democrats as RWNJ is crazy nuttiness!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

But legit question. What would you say is keeping black families from being statistically represented at TJ under the old admissions through demonstrated achievement and high test scores model?
Racism?
Discrimination?
Is there something keeping black, Hispanic, and white students in fcps from achieving the same high test results and merit standards as the Asian students? And what would that be?
Is it possible that the family’s focus and orientation in the home toward supporting and expecting high academic success plays a more significant role in Asian American households?
And if so, shouldn’t we be trying to study that and then encourage non-Asian families to emulate those values and practices to yield similar results rather than re-orient the entire admissions system to artificially capture different demographics?

You might start by looking at prep factories that appear to serve single racial demographics and cater exclusively to those who can afford thousands of dollars of their disposable income.

Additionally, we shouldn’t be incentivizing specialization at the age of 10-11 years old. Some kids are there naturally and that’s fine, but the old admissions process made parents feel as though they had to engage in objectively unhealthy behaviors just to keep up.

similar to prep factories that specialize in particular sport and appear to serve single racial demographic?
age of 10-11 is ok for single sport specialization?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

But legit question. What would you say is keeping black families from being statistically represented at TJ under the old admissions through demonstrated achievement and high test scores model?
Racism?
Discrimination?
Is there something keeping black, Hispanic, and white students in fcps from achieving the same high test results and merit standards as the Asian students? And what would that be?
Is it possible that the family’s focus and orientation in the home toward supporting and expecting high academic success plays a more significant role in Asian American households?
And if so, shouldn’t we be trying to study that and then encourage non-Asian families to emulate those values and practices to yield similar results rather than re-orient the entire admissions system to artificially capture different demographics?

I think most Americans view the hyper fixation that some Asian families place on academics as not a positive approach that needs modeling and further encouragement

How do most Americans view the hyper fixation of starting with T-ball at age 4 and continuing baseball all the way into high school and college years? not a positive approach that needs modeling and further encouragement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf

Read through this and you will see that FCPS has been trying for years to change the demographics of TJ to have a higher percentage of certain types of minority (black/hispanic)….which can only happen by lowering the percentage of other minorities (Asians).

And that is perfectly fine.

Discrimination is perfectly fine in many instances. When you choose a side salad at a restaurant, you discriminate against the French Fries. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with wanting better representation in educational programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf

Read through this and you will see that FCPS has been trying for years to change the demographics of TJ to have a higher percentage of certain types of minority (black/hispanic)….which can only happen by lowering the percentage of other minorities (Asians).

And that is perfectly fine.

Discrimination is perfectly fine in many instances. When you choose a side salad at a restaurant, you discriminate against the French Fries. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with wanting better representation in educational programs.

Salad/FF? Sorry, you make no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

RWNJs are pushing their nuttery hard today.

Getting nervous about November?

Trying to label easily-verifiable facts as “nuttery” exposes you as a mere left wing nut job and not a serious person, PP.

I’ll take that as a yes.

Republicans are trying to spin up all of this nuttery because they know they are going to get creamed in November.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

RWNJs are pushing their nuttery hard today.

Getting nervous about November?

democrats calling fellow democrats as RWNJ is crazy nuttiness!

Whatever you say, Asra.

If it smells like an orange turd then it probably votes for the orange turd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Miyares should look into how many kids from schools in the Diocese of Arlington have been admitted to TJ. I know that no students from the DofA school that my kids attend has ever gotten into TJ. Each year two or three apply and none have ever been accepted.

To make matters worse, the applications for TJ need to be turned in before the DofA has completed testing, making it almost impossible to meet application requirements/deadlines.

I’m not whining, just pointing out that TJ admissions leave a lot to be desired from many different groups.

What? My kid got into TJ and catholic high school and there were no issues. You don't have to decide on TJ till late spring and find out about catholic high school in winter. The most You lose is a deposit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let kids follow what they're genuinely interested in. If students loves STEM and demonstrate readiness, let them dive into it. Same goes for sports—leave it to the kids who are passionate and want to push themselves to the next level. And if a child is drawn to the arts, support them in exploring that path. There’s really no need to track and analyze student’s ethnicity in these interest areas.

Trying to force kids into certain interest areas just to check a box for diversity doesn’t help anyone. Support interests, dont limit or admit based on politics.

Tracking and analyzing children’s skin color is a passion for democrats. They love to divide children into separate “baskets.” They are obsessed with skin color over fairness.

Notice how it was the most politically-extreme democrats on the all-democrat School Board who rammed through the TJ changes right in the middle of the Covid pandemic crisis?

SB chair Karl Frisch was first elected to the SB after leaving his full-time job as a democrat public policy advocate. He has attempted to use his position as a mere stepping-stone to higher office as a democrat. He does not even have children, let alone children in FCPS. Until he completed a correspondence-degree last year, he didn’t even have a college degree.

His political campaign funding does not come from within FFX county. It does not even form from Virginia; the majority of his campaign money comes from the West Coast, where he promotes himself as a partisan activist.

Then Frisch gave away much of that money to candidates like Kyle McDaniel, who is under multiple fraud investigations.

These democrats are the people who schemed to alter the TJ admissions policy to try to excluded as many Asian / Indian students as they could get away with.

The only reason many Asians want to attend TJ is that it's a high percentage of Asians. They are actually being racist by pushing their kids to get in with cram schools.