Miyares is right about discrimination

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell . . . Public schools suck.

FCPS schools are a reflection of our school board.

In the case of TJ admissions, the FCPS school board is indeed racist.

- racist against Asian/ Indian students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

[Anonymous]

Not even close to a win/win. If you create a school for the best, and then you turn the best away, then it’s a lose/lose.

[Anonymous]

The problem here is that some people seem to think that the best of a community needs to be somehow aligned with demographics of the community.

[Anonymous]

If someone asks you, “what are the 50 best beaches in the United States?” You don’t need to pick a beach in every state. You can pick 25 from the southeast and 25 from the west coast and forget about every other state. Nobody cares about that one beach in Ohio or that one beach in Illinois . . . They only want the best.

[Anonymous]

There’s a reason that the number of National Merit Scholars at TJ plummeted for the first class after this change. TJ was meant for the best and brightest. But now it’s a reflection of admission policies in higher ed, trying to shape a class rather than admitting kids based on merit. The SB knew what they were doing, and it was clearly racially motivated.

[Anonymous]

Sorry that your kid didn’t get accepted into TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell . . . Public schools suck.

You are welcome to go to private school.

[Anonymous]

Don’t you think they already do? Duh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

The forces aligned against merit have existed for generations. You seem to be saying that if we don't feed the beat at least a little bit by letting more undeterred URM in, we could lose the whole thing.

I would say that we should have an education system that prepares URM to get in under their own steam without favor or charity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

The forces aligned against merit have existed for generations. You seem to be saying that if we don't feed the beat at least a little bit by letting more undeterred URM in, we could lose the whole thing.

I would say that we should have an education system that prepares URM to get in under their own steam without favor or charity.

Well, yes.

When 20% of the population is taking 70% of the seats, there is going to be a backlash especially when the rules are set by democratically elected board members.
We live in a democracy and that means that results have to be acceptable to the majority regardless of who deserves what.
Having a selective school be 70% asian in an area where the population is like 20% asian just isn't acceptable.
And crying about merit isn't going to change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

The forces aligned against merit have existed for generations. You seem to be saying that if we don't feed the beat at least a little bit by letting more undeterred URM in, we could lose the whole thing.

I would say that we should have an education system that prepares URM to get in under their own steam without favor or charity.

Well, yes.

When 20% of the population is taking 70% of the seats, there is going to be a backlash especially when the rules are set by democratically elected board members.
We live in a democracy and that means that results have to be acceptable to the majority regardless of who deserves what.
Having a selective school be 70% asian in an area where the population is like 20% asian just isn't acceptable.
And crying about merit isn't going to change that.

You seem to be having a problem accepting what FCPS is confirming with its own actions. There is not as much interest in advanced STEM education among various ethnic groups as the asian american students. For 550 seats, from entire 5 participating counties there are less than a 1000 non-asian american applicants. So when 1600+ asian american applicants are stepping up to study and learn STEM subjects at TJ's in-depth rigor, FCPS is glad to respond by extending offers to about 340 of them. Different ethnic student group have different interests, and FCPS accommodates their interests accordingly.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

The forces aligned against merit have existed for generations. You seem to be saying that if we don't feed the beat at least a little bit by letting more undeterred URM in, we could lose the whole thing.

I would say that we should have an education system that prepares URM to get in under their own steam without favor or charity.

Well, yes.

When 20% of the population is taking 70% of the seats, there is going to be a backlash especially when the rules are set by democratically elected board members.
We live in a democracy and that means that results have to be acceptable to the majority regardless of who deserves what.
Having a selective school be 70% asian in an area where the population is like 20% asian just isn't acceptable.
And crying about merit isn't going to change that.

You seem to be having a problem accepting what FCPS is confirming with its own actions. There is not as much interest in advanced STEM education among various ethnic groups as the asian american students. For 550 seats, from entire 5 participating counties there are less than a 1000 non-asian american applicants. So when 1600+ asian american applicants are stepping up to study and learn STEM subjects at TJ's in-depth rigor, FCPS is glad to respond by extending offers to about 340 of them. Different ethnic student group have different interests, and FCPS accommodates their interests accordingly.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

+1 Math and science, especially at TJ, is tough. And a there are a lot of parents and kids out there, of all stripes, that don't have it in them to prepare for that kind of education. They'd rather take their kids out of school to travel, or have them spend summers at the pool, or just relax and be kids. I don't necessarily fault them for that, but you can't "push in" kids who aren't qualified and don't have the drive and preparation for the rigor that they will face at TJ. Can't have it both ways. I'm thinking mainly of my white friends and neighbors, but it applies to URMs as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Black families would just like to be statistically represented at TJ while AA families are complaining about making up less than 70% of the school population.

This is kind of the issue right. I mean it's kind of hard to cry discrimination when you are grossly overrepresented in the environment you claim has and is discriminating against you.

At some point the golden goose is going to get cooked, the baby will get thrown out with the bathwater, and TJ will be no more or will have a full on race blind 100% lottery admissions policy. Anyone with a GPA above a certain point will be offered the chance to apply, and all admissions will be pulled out of a hat. At that point levels will more adequately reflect the demographic makeup of the county. Win/win.

The forces aligned against merit have existed for generations. You seem to be saying that if we don't feed the beat at least a little bit by letting more undeterred URM in, we could lose the whole thing.

I would say that we should have an education system that prepares URM to get in under their own steam without favor or charity.

Well, yes.

When 20% of the population is taking 70% of the seats, there is going to be a backlash especially when the rules are set by democratically elected board members.
We live in a democracy and that means that results have to be acceptable to the majority regardless of who deserves what.
Having a selective school be 70% asian in an area where the population is like 20% asian just isn't acceptable.
And crying about merit isn't going to change that.

You seem to be having a problem accepting what FCPS is confirming with its own actions. There is not as much interest in advanced STEM education among various ethnic groups as the asian american students. For 550 seats, from entire 5 participating counties there are less than a 1000 non-asian american applicants. So when 1600+ asian american applicants are stepping up to study and learn STEM subjects at TJ's in-depth rigor, FCPS is glad to respond by extending offers to about 340 of them. Different ethnic student group have different interests, and FCPS accommodates their interests accordingly.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2029

+1 Math and science, especially at TJ, is tough. And a there are a lot of parents and kids out there, of all stripes, that don't have it in them to prepare for that kind of education. They'd rather take their kids out of school to travel, or have them spend summers at the pool, or just relax and be kids. I don't necessarily fault them for that, but you can't "push in" kids who aren't qualified and don't have the drive and preparation for the rigor that they will face at TJ. Can't have it both ways. I'm thinking mainly of my white friends and neighbors, but it applies to URMs as well.

You are trying hard to stir up the forum suggesting Asian Americans should point fingers at Whites for the problems at TJ. It's not working

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf

Read through this and you will see that FCPS has been trying for years to change the demographics of TJ to have a higher percentage of certain types of minority (black/hispanic)….which can only happen by lowering the percentage of other minorities (Asians).

That's so weird. If this were true, which I seriously doubt, they failed miserably. You do realize the process is race blind and Asian enrollment is at a historic high. The most recent changes benefited Asians the most too.