US citizen and his wife detained without explanation after returning from Canada

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like what happened isn’t quite clear with these people. I’ll hold off on making any comments about the case.

I think everyone should take a few moments to learn about your rights when you’re crossing a border. They are not the same as when you’re in the US. If you are going to be traveling internationally, the easiest thing to do is to bring a burner phone.

I think that's a great idea but for most of us, who have smartphones with all our info, a burner phone won't replace a smartphone. I'm not aware of any smartphones that are as cheap as a burner cell phone. Does anyone have more info on this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the article

The traveler’s accusations are blatantly false and sensationalized,” CBP officials said in a statement to CNN affiliate WMUR. “CBP officers acted in accordance with established protocols. Upon arrival at the port of entry, the traveler was appropriately referred to secondary inspection – a routine, lawful process that occurs daily and can apply for any traveler.”

It’s a random stop. I’m as white as can be and had the secondary inspection flagged a few years ago. It’s like the random TSA flag. Not everything is drama.

When you had your secondary inspection, were you detained for several hours? Were you handcuffed and led to a cell? Were your belongings confiscated? Did the officers ask for your smart phone and password?

DP. I've seen this previously when traveling. It also happens hundreds of times a day by police. Police can do all of these things if they are legally detaining someone. Supreme Court has already spoken on the issue.

Stop lying. You have to have probable cause. And no you do not have to grant them access to your phone data without a warrant.

No probable cause needed for secondary stop. You don’t have to give them passwords, but they can take your devices.

I know you won’t believe me, so here’s a Laywers page confirming it.

https://hselaw.com/news-and-information/legalcurrents/preparing-for-electronic-device-searches-at-united-states-borders/#:~:text=Know%20your%20rights.,to%20attempt%20to%20unlock%20it.

Dude you were trying to claim that there is no probable cause needed for domestic police arrests. you are clueless.

I said there was no probable cause needed for secondary stop or phone passwords. Reading comprehension hard for you?

Dang you just cannot stop lying even when it’s literally there in print.

You wrote: “Police can do all of these things if they are legally detaining someone”

That is true, doesn't contradict what you said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the article

The traveler’s accusations are blatantly false and sensationalized,” CBP officials said in a statement to CNN affiliate WMUR. “CBP officers acted in accordance with established protocols. Upon arrival at the port of entry, the traveler was appropriately referred to secondary inspection – a routine, lawful process that occurs daily and can apply for any traveler.”

It’s a random stop. I’m as white as can be and had the secondary inspection flagged a few years ago. It’s like the random TSA flag. Not everything is drama.

Were you also handcuffed, placed in a cell, and demanded to unlock your cellphone while the agents rummaged through your phone data. If not, STFU you fascist.

Calling me a Facist does not change the fact noting illegal was done here. Educate yourself on the laws before getting offended over something that happens everyday. Mine was in 2014, remind me who was President….

Did you forget you told us that you were not handcuffed and not detained for hours. And you are a fascist for blaming the victim when you make purely speculative assumptions of how the victims reacted towards a fascist state. But of course, you also reminded everyone of your whiteness, so there’s that.

Only to show it’s not race based like you want to assume. You got me, I’m a facist, feel better now?

You were not handcuffed. You were not thrown into a cell for hours. You were not separated from your family. Figure it out and thank you for admitting you are inclined to fascism loving sympathies

[Anonymous]

Isn’t a cell phone search contrary to the fourth amendment?

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Anonymous wrote:From the article

The traveler’s accusations are blatantly false and sensationalized,” CBP officials said in a statement to CNN affiliate WMUR. “CBP officers acted in accordance with established protocols. Upon arrival at the port of entry, the traveler was appropriately referred to secondary inspection – a routine, lawful process that occurs daily and can apply for any traveler.”

It’s a random stop. I’m as white as can be and had the secondary inspection flagged a few years ago. It’s like the random TSA flag. Not everything is drama.

When you had your secondary inspection, were you detained for several hours? Were you handcuffed and led to a cell? Were your belongings confiscated? Did the officers ask for your smart phone and password?

It was about an hour, they did ask for phone and passwords. Wasn’t handcuffed, but I didn’t act like an ass. I guarantee this guy did.

You have no idea of your last sentence. Just bend over why don’t you. Denialism is strong.

According to democrats all MAGA Trump voters act like an ass at all times. Well, this guy "surprise!’ Is a MAGA Trump voter, so which is it?

[Anonymous]

Wow the statement from CBP sets off all kinds of red flags. Wonder how many American citizens are being held by CBP right now? CBP can confiscate.property. Who the f would believe CBP about anything. They do not even tell you their real names.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an even worse "American citizen getting jailed by ICE story" - maybe we need a separate thread for these as they're becoming more common.

A 19-year-old American citizen, Jose Hermosillo, who was lost in Tucson, and walking near Border Patrol HQ, was arrested for illegally entering the country because he had no identification on him.

They claimed they arrested him in Nogales, near the border, but he says he's never been to Nogales. He spent 10 days locked up before he could get before a judge and convince him he was an American citizen.

His girlfriend’s aunt Grace Layva says she and her family made numerous calls looking for him before they found out he was being detained in the Florence Correctional Center, which Immigration and Customs Enforcement uses to detain people.

Another family member drove to the detention center, about 70 miles northwest of Tucson, but said officials wouldn’t provide any information or release him.

ICE did not respond to a request for comment about the wrongful detention.

The family later provided officials with his birth certificate and social security card.

“He did say he was a U.S. citizen, but they didn't believe him,” Layva said. “I think they would have kept him. I think they would have if they would have not got that information yesterday in the court and gave that to ICE and the Border Patrol. He probably would have been deported already to Mexico.”

A magistrate judge in Tucson dismissed his case on Thursday, and family says he was released much later that night.

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/

Start carrying your papers with you everywhere I guess. ICE claimed that this American citizen said he entered the country illegally. Sure, Jan.

Arrested for no crime except not having identification. Which is not a crime in America.

But give it a couple minutes. Someone will be here to defend this

This is nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a cell phone search contrary to the fourth amendment?

Only after you enter the US. After you get off the plane and before you leave immigration you really don't have any rights. You are not technically within the United States.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an even worse "American citizen getting jailed by ICE story" - maybe we need a separate thread for these as they're becoming more common.

A 19-year-old American citizen, Jose Hermosillo, who was lost in Tucson, and walking near Border Patrol HQ, was arrested for illegally entering the country because he had no identification on him.

They claimed they arrested him in Nogales, near the border, but he says he's never been to Nogales. He spent 10 days locked up before he could get before a judge and convince him he was an American citizen.

His girlfriend’s aunt Grace Layva says she and her family made numerous calls looking for him before they found out he was being detained in the Florence Correctional Center, which Immigration and Customs Enforcement uses to detain people.

Another family member drove to the detention center, about 70 miles northwest of Tucson, but said officials wouldn’t provide any information or release him.

ICE did not respond to a request for comment about the wrongful detention.

The family later provided officials with his birth certificate and social security card.

“He did say he was a U.S. citizen, but they didn't believe him,” Layva said. “I think they would have kept him. I think they would have if they would have not got that information yesterday in the court and gave that to ICE and the Border Patrol. He probably would have been deported already to Mexico.”

A magistrate judge in Tucson dismissed his case on Thursday, and family says he was released much later that night.

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/

Start carrying your papers with you everywhere I guess. ICE claimed that this American citizen said he entered the country illegally. Sure, Jan.

Arrested for no crime except not having identification. Which is not a crime in America.

But give it a couple minutes. Someone will be here to defend this

Show me your papers! The beginning of nearly every German WW2 movie.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like people on a power trip. I don't like it but this kind of thing has always happened. There's always racial profiling, too. I am not condoning it, just saying that this doesn't register for me on the same level what the administration is doing every day to our democracy, rights, the Constitution, rule of law, etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an even worse "American citizen getting jailed by ICE story" - maybe we need a separate thread for these as they're becoming more common.

A 19-year-old American citizen, Jose Hermosillo, who was lost in Tucson, and walking near Border Patrol HQ, was arrested for illegally entering the country because he had no identification on him.

They claimed they arrested him in Nogales, near the border, but he says he's never been to Nogales. He spent 10 days locked up before he could get before a judge and convince him he was an American citizen.

His girlfriend’s aunt Grace Layva says she and her family made numerous calls looking for him before they found out he was being detained in the Florence Correctional Center, which Immigration and Customs Enforcement uses to detain people.

Another family member drove to the detention center, about 70 miles northwest of Tucson, but said officials wouldn’t provide any information or release him.

ICE did not respond to a request for comment about the wrongful detention.

The family later provided officials with his birth certificate and social security card.

“He did say he was a U.S. citizen, but they didn't believe him,” Layva said. “I think they would have kept him. I think they would have if they would have not got that information yesterday in the court and gave that to ICE and the Border Patrol. He probably would have been deported already to Mexico.”

A magistrate judge in Tucson dismissed his case on Thursday, and family says he was released much later that night.

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/

Start carrying your papers with you everywhere I guess. ICE claimed that this American citizen said he entered the country illegally. Sure, Jan.

Arrested for no crime except not having identification. Which is not a crime in America.

But give it a couple minutes. Someone will be here to defend this

Show me your papers! The beginning of nearly every German WW2 movie.

Unfortunately, not Hogan's Heroes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the article

The traveler’s accusations are blatantly false and sensationalized,” CBP officials said in a statement to CNN affiliate WMUR. “CBP officers acted in accordance with established protocols. Upon arrival at the port of entry, the traveler was appropriately referred to secondary inspection – a routine, lawful process that occurs daily and can apply for any traveler.”

It’s a random stop. I’m as white as can be and had the secondary inspection flagged a few years ago. It’s like the random TSA flag. Not everything is drama.

Were you put into a jail cell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow the statement from CBP sets off all kinds of red flags. Wonder how many American citizens are being held by CBP right now? CBP can confiscate.property. Who the f would believe CBP about anything. They do not even tell you their real names.

Once due process is a question, the country ceases to exist as a democratic republic. That is Trump's goal and he has CBP and ICE doing the dirty work.

That is why democrats and traditional conservatives are fighting the Kilmer case right now. If HE doesn't have due process, then none of us do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the article

The traveler’s accusations are blatantly false and sensationalized,” CBP officials said in a statement to CNN affiliate WMUR. “CBP officers acted in accordance with established protocols. Upon arrival at the port of entry, the traveler was appropriately referred to secondary inspection – a routine, lawful process that occurs daily and can apply for any traveler.”

It’s a random stop. I’m as white as can be and had the secondary inspection flagged a few years ago. It’s like the random TSA flag. Not everything is drama.

So they put you in a cell and asked you for your phone and passcode?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a cell phone search contrary to the fourth amendment?

Only after you enter the US. After you get off the plane and before you leave immigration you really don't have any rights. You are not technically within the United States.

Do you have a citation for this?