Tuckahoe Boots Machine

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Please show your proof here? so this is the MO of the Board now? Try and shift blame to Paris? How is a year to year contract something that could never change? Pretty wild accusation to throw at someone when you provide no proof and she has a long standing and respected career locally and nationally. Seems like the Board is on here now doing damage control. Understandable for sure.

Machine Parent here, if her interactions are anything like how she runs a swim meet (always starting late, missing volunteers, meet mobile delays), this is absolutely believable.

I am sure if you provided your name Machine & Paris they would welcome you to join T or any of the other PVS clubs. As a parent in Machine too, you are flat out lying here. If you really are a parent of Machine swimmer you get the same emails asking for volunteers at meets. Practically begging. Clearly you are not volunteering you are sitting in the stands apart of the problem and them come on forums and anonymously attack someone where your statement alone shows 3 things. You are not volunteering, you do not have a clue about how meet mobile runs and you are apart of the entitled parents problem.

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the fact is- most of the other pools around here don't operate on an auction it off to the highest bidder scenario. They go with the longstanding relationships first. This has been swim farm's problem, the pool rentals are pretty well tied up. Machine has had the Tuckahoe site for a long time, so I understand why they didn't think they needed to 'cultivate' the relationship. I do think this is a much bigger deal for Machine than it is for York. Coaches come and go- honestly Coach T hadn't even been at York that long and he is relatively polarizing, I'm sure some kids will go with him- but I doubt York will have any trouble filling its lanes. His seniors don't like him that much, I doubt they will follow him (in the same way that when Greg York stopped coaching the seniors there wasn't a mass exodus to follow him to Machine- and the seniors 'did' like Greg.) I'm sure a chunk of T's age groupers will follow him- particularly the ones that swim for Tuckahoe in the summer. But a chunk won't- especially those who live in Arlington. If you live in central Arlington driving to Tuckahoe is a lot further than driving to Yorktown.
I think T will fill his afternoon lanes- there is more demand for swim then there is availability. That doesn't seem to be as true for the early morning practices, it will be interesting to see if he can fill those.
I do think T has done a good job as Tuckahoe manager. He has made some nice improvements, he manages the lifeguard staff well, etc. This speaks well to his aptitude to run a club, and also explains some of why the Tuckahoe board is so impressed with him.
I think the assertion that Paris runs meets poorly is ridiculous. Paris is really one of the better meet managers, there are a lot of factors outside her control.

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Congratulations to Tuckahoe…the only NVSL team that now has a year round PVS team…because we all know that this is what it actually is

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

There is a similar situation in MCSL with Rockville and RMSC. Technically separate, but for all practical purposes the same.

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I actually didn’t think I could like Tuckahoe less…but this makes me

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My daughter swims for Coach T in his morning group. This statement that his senior kids don’t like him couldn’t be farther from the truth. It’s proven to be the most supportive, cohesive group we’ve been a part of. The kids all seem to connect with both of their coaches. More rumors to throw on the pile I guess.

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His senior kids don’t like him but neither does any team in the entire NVSL…Tuckahoe and T deserve each other…

Whoop whoop another D1 win….

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Anonymous wrote:If Paris spent time nurturing a relationship with her customer (Tuckahoe Board) this would never have happened. She was called by the Tuckahoe board a few years back asking for her recommendation for a head coach at Tuckahoe but she refused to respond or call back. She had the chance to place a Machine coach there (or at least keep a good relationship with the board) but she refused.

Paris spent years acting as if the contract and pool location was something she deserved and they could never change. Sometimes you need to look in the mirror on what you could have done better.

And for what it’s worth Machine got its start at York recruiting kids from the practice Dan was coaching in Herndon (while drawing a paycheck from York). All’s fair in pools and swim coaching. For any haters out there - point out the lie in anything I have said….Ill wait

Please show your proof here? so this is the MO of the Board now? Try and shift blame to Paris? How is a year to year contract something that could never change? Pretty wild accusation to throw at someone when you provide no proof and she has a long standing and respected career locally and nationally. Seems like the Board is on here now doing damage control. Understandable for sure.

Hi Paris.

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Anonymous wrote:Machine was "informed" 15 minutes before this email. Once again, the board is just like T- ZERO thought of swimmers training for Championships. They deserve each other.

Hi Paris.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this not a conflict of interest with T being both 1) Tuckahoe’s Aquatics Director that is a paid position and now 2) has his own swim club external to Tuckahoe, yet using their facilities?

Tuckahoe’s letter stating that if T’s new club fails their “worst-case scenario” is that more swim lanes will be avail to members and they’ll have to find a new club willing to rent space 😱 Yikes… that isn’t much of a plan since they just burned their relationship with Machine. I wouldn’t have wanted to sign my name to this new risky endeavor. Not to mention it’s clear from the wording of the letter that T is NOT contributing as much money as what Machine was willing to pay for 1 more year. It’s alarming that they’re justifying the “potential” of this financial decision, that won’t come to fruition for many years, requiring a “multi-year contract” 😱

If I were a member there, I would have A LOT of questions about the reckless of the Tuckahoe Board’s decision. On top of their known maintenance that they’ve droned on about for years.

Yikes.

Let’s face it, Tuckahoe really doesn’t have much risk here. They have a pool that everyone wants. If this falls through they can find someone else. And just because they are saying everything is just great with their current renters, it doesn’t meant it actually is. You really never know.

Biggest risk is next year and whether he gets enough swimmers to finance the club for the full year. Filling afternoon lanes with younger kids is relatively easy. Filling 2 hours a day in the early morning is more of a challenge. Same goes for summer usage as most younger kids are swimming club 9 months not 11.

I don't believe for a second the he truly came out ahead of the other 2 BIDs in any of the 3 "key principles" they supposedly assessed. I think there was a lot of mental gymnastics there because they wanted to pick him and want to establish Tuckahoe as a year round swim program so they can continue to win D1.

I question how much more financial gain they really can expect. You can only make so much renting swim lanes and seeing how difficult it is to get swim lanes in this area I can't see a big expansion of this new club happening anytime soon.

Club isn’t offered for younger kids year round. If it was many probably would have done it. It is a bit shady.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is this not a conflict of interest with T being both 1) Tuckahoe’s Aquatics Director that is a paid position and now 2) has his own swim club external to Tuckahoe, yet using their facilities?

Tuckahoe’s letter stating that if T’s new club fails their “worst-case scenario” is that more swim lanes will be avail to members and they’ll have to find a new club willing to rent space 😱 Yikes… that isn’t much of a plan since they just burned their relationship with Machine. I wouldn’t have wanted to sign my name to this new risky endeavor. Not to mention it’s clear from the wording of the letter that T is NOT contributing as much money as what Machine was willing to pay for 1 more year. It’s alarming that they’re justifying the “potential” of this financial decision, that won’t come to fruition for many years, requiring a “multi-year contract” 😱

If I were a member there, I would have A LOT of questions about the reckless of the Tuckahoe Board’s decision. On top of their known maintenance that they’ve droned on about for years.

Yikes.

Let’s face it, Tuckahoe really doesn’t have much risk here. They have a pool that everyone wants. If this falls through they can find someone else. And just because they are saying everything is just great with their current renters, it doesn’t meant it actually is. You really never know.

Biggest risk is next year and whether he gets enough swimmers to finance the club for the full year. Filling afternoon lanes with younger kids is relatively easy. Filling 2 hours a day in the early morning is more of a challenge. Same goes for summer usage as most younger kids are swimming club 9 months not 11.

I don't believe for a second the he truly came out ahead of the other 2 BIDs in any of the 3 "key principles" they supposedly assessed. I think there was a lot of mental gymnastics there because they wanted to pick him and want to establish Tuckahoe as a year round swim program so they can continue to win D1.

I question how much more financial gain they really can expect. You can only make so much renting swim lanes and seeing how difficult it is to get swim lanes in this area I can't see a big expansion of this new club happening anytime soon.

From an econ 101 perspective, this statement makes zero sense

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

There is a similar situation in MCSL with Rockville and RMSC. Technically separate, but for all practical purposes the same.

Not the same at all. Two different teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

There is a similar situation in MCSL with Rockville and RMSC. Technically separate, but for all practical purposes the same.

Not the same at all. Two different teams.

Exactly. Tuckahoe a NVSL Club is essentially now running their own PVS Club program…can’t decide if it is shady or pathetic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

There is a similar situation in MCSL with Rockville and RMSC. Technically separate, but for all practical purposes the same.

Not the same at all. Two different teams.

Exactly. Tuckahoe a NVSL Club is essentially now running their own PVS Club program…can’t decide if it is shady or pathetic

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

There is a similar situation in MCSL with Rockville and RMSC. Technically separate, but for all practical purposes the same.

Not the same at all. Two different teams.

No, it’s an on point comparison. You’re not that special NVSL.