Colombia blocks deportation flights, Trump responds with tariffs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any actual evidence of 'mistreatment'? Or is this complaining because they didn't get white glove treatment and first class seats back home?

You can't dump millions of your citizens into another country and then refuse to take them back when the other country sends them back home.

Maybe millions of Americans should go fly over to Japan, illegally stay over there, then the US should refuse to take back our citizens when Japan sends them back? Absolutely unreal entitlement BS from Latin American countries.

How would you feel if the hundeds of people who overstayed visas in Great Britain (and I guarantee you there are in fact hundreds of people at this moment in that category) were dumped off in the US via a British military flight after being denied the chance to use the toilet for 24 hours. What if it was your daughter. Of course they are offended. Were are physically treating their citizens as if they are cattle, and then we are going to their country thinking we can get away with it and still have normal relationships with them? Pretend they are people equal to you and then think about it again.

You don’t know what you are talking about. There is access to food, water, and toilets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is happening?

Is he trying to sever every international relationship we have? What is the point here?

[Anonymous]

Trump is just performing for his stupid base. He does not care about reslly deporting people, he just wanted the big show of force, the line of men in chains walking to a US military plane watched by American soldiers. This is making his base ecstatic and even people who voted for his because of rhe border but otherwise are not bug fans are now happy and may overlook the firing of the inspectors generals and similar things Trump is doing. There are plenty if ways to deport people efficiently and with lower cost and without abusing them or landing military aircrafts in foreign countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/

This is an interesting development. Colombia said they wouldn’t take back their own citizens so Trump is enacting tariffs and other measures.

Personally, I think this is a great move. It is the responsibility of the host nation to repatriate their citizens. I do not understand why Colombia won’t welcome their own people back.

They don’t have any issues taking their migrants back. They are demanding they are returned on civilian flights like humans.

To me, that’s a fair ask.

Something to consider if you care about consumer prices...

Colombias gas exports have been decreasing yearly due to a host of issues. That’s while US shale is increasing, and hopefully increasing faster with a new regulatory environment.

Africa makes great coffee and I’ll gladly pay $3 a pound more to remove illegal migrants from our country.

Do you like fresh fruit and vegetables?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any actual evidence of 'mistreatment'? Or is this complaining because they didn't get white glove treatment and first class seats back home?

You can't dump millions of your citizens into another country and then refuse to take them back when the other country sends them back home.

Maybe millions of Americans should go fly over to Japan, illegally stay over there, then the US should refuse to take back our citizens when Japan sends them back? Absolutely unreal entitlement BS from Latin American countries.

How would you feel if the hundeds of people who overstayed visas in Great Britain (and I guarantee you there are in fact hundreds of people at this moment in that category) were dumped off in the US via a British military flight after being denied the chance to use the toilet for 24 hours. What if it was your daughter. Of course they are offended. Were are physically treating their citizens as if they are cattle, and then we are going to their country thinking we can get away with it and still have normal relationships with them? Pretend they are people equal to you and then think about it again.

I would thank them for bringing my (hypothetical) daughter's a** back. There is no reason/excuse to overstay your visa. I teach my kids to obey laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any actual evidence of 'mistreatment'? Or is this complaining because they didn't get white glove treatment and first class seats back home?

You can't dump millions of your citizens into another country and then refuse to take them back when the other country sends them back home.

Maybe millions of Americans should go fly over to Japan, illegally stay over there, then the US should refuse to take back our citizens when Japan sends them back? Absolutely unreal entitlement BS from Latin American countries.

How would you feel if the hundeds of people who overstayed visas in Great Britain (and I guarantee you there are in fact hundreds of people at this moment in that category) were dumped off in the US via a British military flight after being denied the chance to use the toilet for 24 hours. What if it was your daughter. Of course they are offended. Were are physically treating their citizens as if they are cattle, and then we are going to their country thinking we can get away with it and still have normal relationships with them? Pretend they are people equal to you and then think about it again.

I wouldn't feel anything, in fact, I'd high 5 the British for spankin' stupid Americans' arses who broke their laws.

Remember when that American was caned in Singapore for committing crimes? He deserved it, and I applauded the Singaporean govt for it. I wish he received more lashes for being a dumbasz.

You break laws in a foreign country, you get the book thrown at you. You go to a country like Thailand and break the law, don't expect to receive the best treatment in Thai prisons.

No one is going to give you white glove treatment back home if you come here illegally. There is no tangible evidence at all to support any of the claims. These are the same liars who come into our country trying to claim they're here for asylum purposes even though that's a lie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are cute. I suspect it's a lot more expensive to fly military plains than civilian flights. Who is paying for that? You are. Enjoy your coffee while you can afford it.

Right? $850,000 to send 80 migrants back to Colombia only to be turned around.

We’ve been deporting on civilian flights since the 50s. If you want to toss 1.3 million dollars worth of military flights around for a total of 400 illegals immigrants, don’t complain that the government is inefficient and wasteful.

Except there is the important lesson of moral hazard. They also cost our citizens a lot more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colombia's issue is that these flights are being done inhumanely and they don't know who's on these planes.

Brazil is "outraged" with how their deportation flights were handled. Remember, these aren't deadly criminals.

Edgar Da Silva Moura, a 31-year-old computer technician, was on the flight, after seven months in detention in the United States.

“On the plane they didn’t give us water, we were tied hands and feet, they wouldn’t even let us go to the bathroom,” he told AFP.

“It was very hot, some people fainted.”

Luis Antonio Rodrigues Santos, a 21-year-old freelancer, recounted the “nightmare” of people with “respiratory problems” during “four hours without air conditioning” due to technical issues on the plane.

“Things have already changed (with Trump), immigrants are treated as criminals,” he said.

The flight was originally destined for the southeastern city of Belo Horizonte, but encountered a technical issue forcing it to land in Manaus.

A government source told AFP the deportation flight was not directly linked to any immigration orders issued by Trump upon taking office Monday, but rather stemmed from a 2017 bilateral agreement.

Brazil’s Minister of Human Rights, Macae Evaristo, told journalists that “children with autism ... who went through very serious experiences” were also on the flight.

Footage on Brazilian television showed some passengers descending from the civilian aircraft, with their hands handcuffed and their ankles shackled.

“Upon learning of the situation, President Lula ordered that a Brazilian Air Force (FAB) aircraft be mobilised to transport the Brazilians to their final destination, in order to ensure that they could complete their journey with dignity and safety,” the justice ministry said.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20250126-brazil-outraged-after-us-deportees-arrive-handcuffed-colombia-to-refuse-us-deportation-flights

Brazil has informed Rubio that should this happen again the flight crew will be arrested and detained for violating the civil rights of Brazilian citizens. Lula is seriously pissed.

And really he won't care about threats of tariffs. He'll just sell soy, oil, steel, coffee, sugar, etc. to China. He already proved he will stand up to US bullying when he opened the commodities markets to transactions based on yuan and not just dollars and reais. Pissed Biden off with that.

Brazil is free to lease Gulfstreams to take back their illegal citizens. But it's unreasonable to object to the US using C-130s. At the very least, the US should be billing Brazil for the trouble. If Brazilians want to pay for a comfortable plane with meal service for their illegal migrants, they certainly can.

So as a US taxpayer you are ok with the fact that your taxpayer money be wasted to fly people who entered the US without a visa or overstayed a visa to a foreign country when the same people could have been transported at a small fraction of the price on a civilian airplane. Sounds like really stupid to me

[Anonymous]

To me, this has a simple solution. Everyone here illegally can organize and pay for their own flights home. If they don’t, they can’t complain about the treatment from the US government. It’s not like anyone could be surprised that there was going to be some deportations happening (and probably a lot more too).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is happening?

Is he trying to sever every international relationship we have? What is the point here?

It’s time we throw our might around to get what we want. Sure, work with the world, but as Rubio said, it needs to be beneficial to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any actual evidence of 'mistreatment'? Or is this complaining because they didn't get white glove treatment and first class seats back home?

You can't dump millions of your citizens into another country and then refuse to take them back when the other country sends them back home.

Maybe millions of Americans should go fly over to Japan, illegally stay over there, then the US should refuse to take back our citizens when Japan sends them back? Absolutely unreal entitlement BS from Latin American countries.

How would you feel if the hundeds of people who overstayed visas in Great Britain (and I guarantee you there are in fact hundreds of people at this moment in that category) were dumped off in the US via a British military flight after being denied the chance to use the toilet for 24 hours. What if it was your daughter. Of course they are offended. Were are physically treating their citizens as if they are cattle, and then we are going to their country thinking we can get away with it and still have normal relationships with them? Pretend they are people equal to you and then think about it again.

I wouldn't feel anything, in fact, I'd high 5 the British for spankin' stupid Americans' arses who broke their laws.

Remember when that American was caned in Singapore for committing crimes? He deserved it, and I applauded the Singaporean govt for it. I wish he received more lashes for being a dumbasz.

You break laws in a foreign country, you get the book thrown at you. You go to a country like Thailand and break the law, don't expect to receive the best treatment in Thai prisons.

No one is going to give you white glove treatment back home if you come here illegally. There is no tangible evidence at all to support any of the claims. These are the same liars who come into our country trying to claim they're here for asylum purposes even though that's a lie.

Dude, when the american woman killed a teen in the UK by driving in the wrong side of the road, the US flew her back so she would avoid prosecution. The parents of the killed teen even came to visit Trump and he refused to send her back. And it was a car accident, she would not have had life in prison but hey, for Trump an American woman who kills a UK teen in the UK does not need to subject to UK justice. So give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colombia's issue is that these flights are being done inhumanely and they don't know who's on these planes.

Brazil is "outraged" with how their deportation flights were handled. Remember, these aren't deadly criminals.

Edgar Da Silva Moura, a 31-year-old computer technician, was on the flight, after seven months in detention in the United States.

“On the plane they didn’t give us water, we were tied hands and feet, they wouldn’t even let us go to the bathroom,” he told AFP.

“It was very hot, some people fainted.”

Luis Antonio Rodrigues Santos, a 21-year-old freelancer, recounted the “nightmare” of people with “respiratory problems” during “four hours without air conditioning” due to technical issues on the plane.

“Things have already changed (with Trump), immigrants are treated as criminals,” he said.

The flight was originally destined for the southeastern city of Belo Horizonte, but encountered a technical issue forcing it to land in Manaus.

A government source told AFP the deportation flight was not directly linked to any immigration orders issued by Trump upon taking office Monday, but rather stemmed from a 2017 bilateral agreement.

Brazil’s Minister of Human Rights, Macae Evaristo, told journalists that “children with autism ... who went through very serious experiences” were also on the flight.

Footage on Brazilian television showed some passengers descending from the civilian aircraft, with their hands handcuffed and their ankles shackled.

“Upon learning of the situation, President Lula ordered that a Brazilian Air Force (FAB) aircraft be mobilised to transport the Brazilians to their final destination, in order to ensure that they could complete their journey with dignity and safety,” the justice ministry said.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20250126-brazil-outraged-after-us-deportees-arrive-handcuffed-colombia-to-refuse-us-deportation-flights

Brazil has informed Rubio that should this happen again the flight crew will be arrested and detained for violating the civil rights of Brazilian citizens. Lula is seriously pissed.

And really he won't care about threats of tariffs. He'll just sell soy, oil, steel, coffee, sugar, etc. to China. He already proved he will stand up to US bullying when he opened the commodities markets to transactions based on yuan and not just dollars and reais. Pissed Biden off with that.

Brazil is free to lease Gulfstreams to take back their illegal citizens. But it's unreasonable to object to the US using C-130s. At the very least, the US should be billing Brazil for the trouble. If Brazilians want to pay for a comfortable plane with meal service for their illegal migrants, they certainly can.

So as a US taxpayer you are ok with the fact that your taxpayer money be wasted to fly people who entered the US without a visa or overstayed a visa to a foreign country when the same people could have been transported at a small fraction of the price on a civilian airplane. Sounds like really stupid to me

It is stupid.

[Anonymous]

Oh, by the time he is done, you might not want to be recognized as an American when traveling abroad. We’ll be pariahs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colombia's issue is that these flights are being done inhumanely and they don't know who's on these planes.

Brazil is "outraged" with how their deportation flights were handled. Remember, these aren't deadly criminals.

Edgar Da Silva Moura, a 31-year-old computer technician, was on the flight, after seven months in detention in the United States.

“On the plane they didn’t give us water, we were tied hands and feet, they wouldn’t even let us go to the bathroom,” he told AFP.

“It was very hot, some people fainted.”

Luis Antonio Rodrigues Santos, a 21-year-old freelancer, recounted the “nightmare” of people with “respiratory problems” during “four hours without air conditioning” due to technical issues on the plane.

“Things have already changed (with Trump), immigrants are treated as criminals,” he said.

The flight was originally destined for the southeastern city of Belo Horizonte, but encountered a technical issue forcing it to land in Manaus.

A government source told AFP the deportation flight was not directly linked to any immigration orders issued by Trump upon taking office Monday, but rather stemmed from a 2017 bilateral agreement.

Brazil’s Minister of Human Rights, Macae Evaristo, told journalists that “children with autism ... who went through very serious experiences” were also on the flight.

Footage on Brazilian television showed some passengers descending from the civilian aircraft, with their hands handcuffed and their ankles shackled.

“Upon learning of the situation, President Lula ordered that a Brazilian Air Force (FAB) aircraft be mobilised to transport the Brazilians to their final destination, in order to ensure that they could complete their journey with dignity and safety,” the justice ministry said.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20250126-brazil-outraged-after-us-deportees-arrive-handcuffed-colombia-to-refuse-us-deportation-flights

Brazil has informed Rubio that should this happen again the flight crew will be arrested and detained for violating the civil rights of Brazilian citizens. Lula is seriously pissed.

And really he won't care about threats of tariffs. He'll just sell soy, oil, steel, coffee, sugar, etc. to China. He already proved he will stand up to US bullying when he opened the commodities markets to transactions based on yuan and not just dollars and reais. Pissed Biden off with that.

Brazil is free to lease Gulfstreams to take back their illegal citizens. But it's unreasonable to object to the US using C-130s. At the very least, the US should be billing Brazil for the trouble. If Brazilians want to pay for a comfortable plane with meal service for their illegal migrants, they certainly can.

So as a US taxpayer you are ok with the fact that your taxpayer money be wasted to fly people who entered the US without a visa or overstayed a visa to a foreign country when the same people could have been transported at a small fraction of the price on a civilian airplane. Sounds like really stupid to me

Would have probably cost more using a civilian aircraft, honestly. All those military costs are already accounted for versus paying for a civilian flight.

People can break down the cost of the flights all they want, but it’s already been budgeted for. It’s not like you have to pay an airman more for these missions - they are already on the payroll. Same for the customs agents. Same with the fuel and maintenance for the C-17s. Those things are flying all the time for training.

People saying how much they cost are just grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is happening?

Is he trying to sever every international relationship we have? What is the point here?

It’s time we throw our might around to get what we want. Sure, work with the world, but as Rubio said, it needs to be beneficial to us.

I can’t believe Americans, like the poster above, as so clueless. The US have been throwing their might around for more than 80 years and all to the US benefit. It has always been America First. Are you one of those who really believed that the US made a generous, selfless sacrifice to bring democracy to Iraq?