Will Wake ever be in the #30s again?

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

I went to a private college, smaller than Wake, where the median SAT is higher than the median SAT at Wake.

And yet not willing to disclose on an anonymous message board? Seriously, I want to make sure my tuition dollars are not wasted.

As you can see from my example, there is no school elite or exclusive enough to ensure that. No matter how hard you work to impress upon your child the importance of exclusivity and elitism, some day they too might come to believe that a smaller part of a larger number can be larger than a larger part of a smaller number.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

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I hesitate to give any credence to stupid arguments, but the median SAT score at UVA is also 1450 per the
latest cds. Exact same as Wake.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:I hesitate to give any credence to stupid arguments, but the median SAT score at UVA is also 1450 per the
latest cds. Exact same as Wake.

Wake has a large portfolio test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:I hesitate to give any credence to stupid arguments, but the median SAT score at UVA is also 1450 per the
latest cds. Exact same as Wake.

Wake has a large portfolio test optional.

For this particular year, UVA had 16 percent more students submitting. That is unlikely to result in a statistically significant difference in median, maybe 10 to 15 points.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

This is what happens when one never learned or failed to understand what median means.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

Median is not the same as average, so no.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

Median is not the same as average, so no.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a school with 220 total students has a larger group of high-scoring students than a school with 1,000 high-scoring students?

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

Median is not the same as average, so no.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a school with 220 total students has a larger group of high-scoring students than a school with 1,000 high-scoring students?

NP, if you were to take the median, the small school would have a higher average score. The big school would just be the average between the highest low score and the lowest high score. The small school will be somewhere around two middle high scores.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

Median is not the same as average, so no.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a school with 220 total students has a larger group of high-scoring students than a school with 1,000 high-scoring students?

No, just your example makes clear you don’t understand the difference between median and average.

No real person cares about the absolute number of high scoring kids. In your example, the kid at the 220 student school would have a much higher percentage of high scoring peers in each and every class. No one would prefer the first school if their goal was to place their student with the higher scoring peer group. You can understand this, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

What drugs are you on?

48 percent of kids at Wake submit test scores with a median SAT of 1450. My Wake student had a 1500 and a 3.8 at a private with grade deflation and top rigor.

32 percent of kids at Syracuse submit with a median of 1340
79 percent submit at Iowa with a median of 1240
79 percent submitted at KU with a median of 1160

Not one of these four schools is in the same tier as the others. You just spew complete nonsense.

Each of those schools is a different size. Wake is the smallest. Each school has about the same number of high-scoring students. Of course that means the percentage is higher at Wake. And percentage is very important to some people, obviously including you. Which is fine. It allows for the big fish/small pond effect, which certainly benefits some kids. But for some other kids, a small pond can feel, well, small. People seeking a school with a large number of high-scoring students would be better off at a school like UVA or UMD or Wisconsin.

Please share where you went to college so I can make sure my child does not attend. This reasoning is embarrassing AF.

So the best schools are the largest schools because they have the largest numbers of high scorers? 🤯🤯🤯

Only if what you are seeking is a large community of high-scoring students.

Please please please go look up the definition of median. The lower the median, the more low scoring students attending the school. This isn’t rocket science.

When did I say otherwise? But a large school can have 1,000 low-scoring students and 1,000 high-scoring students, while a smaller school might have 20 low-scoring students and 200 high-scoring students. The smaller school will have a higher median score, but it will also have a smaller group of high-scoring students.

Median is not the same as average, so no.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a school with 220 total students has a larger group of high-scoring students than a school with 1,000 high-scoring students?

NP, if you were to take the median, the small school would have a higher average score. The big school would just be the average between the highest low score and the lowest high score. The small school will be somewhere around two middle high scores.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with DEI being the primary factor in guaging how good a college is. CUNY, Rutgers, UC Merced, Georgia State, Louisville, etc. are going to be recognized as the new powerhouses.

With the new rankings, law schools, medical schools, employers will shift their recruiting to these schools. They were all great to begin with, but now with the rankings they finally get their chance.

Sorry but DEI is now DOA.

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Anonymous wrote:I hesitate to give any credence to stupid arguments, but the median SAT score at UVA is also 1450 per the
latest cds. Exact same as Wake.

Wake has a large portfolio test optional.

Those kids are likely scoring even lower than the 1450 median.