Post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a troll... either that or their kid has been a senior for the past 3 years. They keep posting the same scenario

then report the thread!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is a troll... either that or their kid has been a senior for the past 3 years. They keep posting the same scenario

The affirmative action decision was June 2023.

Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.

I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.

Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.

Well, they are the ones being discriminated against so I don't find that surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:By no means am I an expert but even I know that if you are an URM you should bring it up in your application. Whether it helps or not is debatable and no one this forum knows for sure one way or another.

It absolutely helps. It helps more than it is supposed to but much less than it used to.
I don't know if we will ever get to a level playing field but i suspect that once the top schools go test required, we will see a moderate amount of affirmative action.
If the SAT score differentials remain high the lawsuits will continue.

FFS the fact that a greater number of one group scored at a certain level is not relevant when comparing individuals. A first generation ESOL student with a 1530 is being compared to a legacy Mayflower student with a 1530. Why does any care at all that a great number of immigrant ESOL students score much lower? They aren't the ones Harvard is evaluating for admission

If there is a statistically significant difference between URM students and other students after correcting for permissible factors (like first generation status), then that is evidence of racial discrimination or bias.
If the difference starts to get to very high confidence levels then we can assume that racial discrimination is likely.
At that point we can begin proceed with the lawsuit and the colleges have to hand over all the information that we need to make the case against them.
If they broke the law then the IRS can revoke tax exempt status and bar federal funding to the institution.
If they don't need those things then they can keep doing what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.

I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.

Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.

Yep.

Maybe one troll or two.

I think you underestimate how asians feel about institutions discriminating against their children.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.

I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.

Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.

Yep.

Maybe one troll or two.

agree. its not many. just one crazy lonely mom who thinks her kid(s) got "screwed" in admissions years ago.

Prop 209 wasn't passed because a lonely asian mom was bitter about her kid being discriminated against.
SB 185 and Amendment 5 to the california constitution weren't shelved because of a lonely asian mom.
Prop 15 didn't fail in 2020 because of a lonely asian mom.
The San Francisco School board wasn't recalled because of a lonely asian mom.
The push to get rid of testing for stuyvesant wasn't driven by one lonely asian mom
The opposition to the TJ is not coming from one lonely asian mo.
SFFA wasn't celebrated by one lonely asian mom.

Clearly the work is not over yet. There are still too many people with racist attitudes like yours.

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Ever been followed around a department store because the sales clerk suspected you were a shoplifter? How many times before you decided to shop somewhere else?

That is what this persistent troll hopes to do. Make your experience so unpleasant you just stop showing up. They don't care that you've earned they money to afford to be there. They don't want you there at all. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.

I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.

Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.

Yep.

Maybe one troll or two.

agree. its not many. just one crazy lonely mom who thinks her kid(s) got "screwed" in admissions years ago.

Prop 209 wasn't passed because a lonely asian mom was bitter about her kid being discriminated against.
SB 185 and Amendment 5 to the california constitution weren't shelved because of a lonely asian mom.
Prop 15 didn't fail in 2020 because of a lonely asian mom.
The San Francisco School board wasn't recalled because of a lonely asian mom.
The push to get rid of testing for stuyvesant wasn't driven by one lonely asian mom
The opposition to the TJ is not coming from one lonely asian mo.
SFFA wasn't celebrated by one lonely asian mom.

Clearly the work is not over yet. There are still too many people with racist attitudes like yours.

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yawn

[Anonymous]

I'd have a lot more sympathy for the SFFA crowd if they weren't obsessed with anti-black stereotypes and racism. Crying "Racism" and then being racist isn't appealing.

[Anonymous]

Just apply to schools where the applicant's test scores, GPA, and leadership or other accomplishments render him/her competitive, just like any other applicant. Trying to gain an edge because of legally irrelevant skin color may backfire, since weaving that into an application is going to be pretty transparent.

[Anonymous]

Please seek counsel elsewhere. Posters here are truly evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year. These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just apply to schools where the applicant's test scores, GPA, and leadership or other accomplishments render him/her competitive, just like any other applicant. Trying to gain an edge because of legally irrelevant skin color may backfire, since weaving that into an application is going to be pretty transparent.

Agree with your first sentence. Disagree with your second. Schools are looking for evidence of URM status and the essay portion is where SCOTUS told applicants to put it.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year. These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I posted earlier about having a Hispanic/AA NMSF. My kid has the stats so he applied with his 1500 SAT score and 4.3gpa (IB) to 4 ivies but we know chances are slim even if you’re competitive.

I mentioned earlier that several apps and portal supplements explicitly asked about race and Hispanic ethnicity. Some also asked about gender identity. I wish I had kept track but a majority of his applications asked about race and ethnicity.

Not FGLI but somehow got on Questbridge radar and they invited him to apply for QB match but he didn’t. He also has a very typical Hispanic last name and his College Board profile includes National Hispanic and National AA recognition. There was no need to highlight it any further in his essays.

We got so much mail (hard copy and email) from several Ivies and T20 that promoted their commitment to diversity, highlighted students of color, etc.