Post affirmative action

[Anonymous]

3.5 million high school graduates in 2024
80,000ish of them earned IB diplomas
35,000ish of them score 1500+ on the SAT

The intersection of those with both a 1500+ AND an IB diploma is smaller still. I will guess maybe 15k? So if your kid get into one of those Ivies it is because they are one of these very rare kids. Top 99 percent in every way possible. Not because they have a Hispanic surname.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3.5 million high school graduates in 2024
80,000ish of them earned IB diplomas
35,000ish of them score 1500+ on the SAT

The intersection of those with both a 1500+ AND an IB diploma is smaller still. I will guess maybe 15k? So if your kid get into one of those Ivies it is because they are one of these very rare kids. Top 99 percent in every way possible. Not because they have a Hispanic surname.

DP: FYI— according to a Common App report, 75,000+ students applied to colleges with a score of 1500+ (don't forget superscores).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd have a lot more sympathy for the SFFA crowd if they weren't obsessed with anti-black stereotypes and racism. Crying "Racism" and then being racist isn't appealing.

We are not asking for your sympathy. We are demanding fairness.
You are not giving us something out of generosity. This is ours, we're taking it back.

Go throw someone else's kids under the bus to assuage your white guilt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year. These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I posted earlier about having a Hispanic/AA NMSF. My kid has the stats so he applied with his 1500 SAT score and 4.3gpa (IB) to 4 ivies but we know chances are slim even if you’re competitive.

I mentioned earlier that several apps and portal supplements explicitly asked about race and Hispanic ethnicity. Some also asked about gender identity. I wish I had kept track but a majority of his applications asked about race and ethnicity.

Not FGLI but somehow got on Questbridge radar and they invited him to apply for QB match but he didn’t. He also has a very typical Hispanic last name and his College Board profile includes National Hispanic and National AA recognition. There was no need to highlight it any further in his essays.

We got so much mail (hard copy and email) from several Ivies and T20 that promoted their commitment to diversity, highlighted students of color, etc.

Great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd have a lot more sympathy for the SFFA crowd if they weren't obsessed with anti-black stereotypes and racism. Crying "Racism" and then being racist isn't appealing.

We are not asking for your sympathy. We are demanding fairness.
You are not giving us something out of generosity. This is ours, we're taking it back.

Go throw someone else's kids under the bus to assuage your white guilt.

Say no to drugs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year. These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I posted earlier about having a Hispanic/AA NMSF. My kid has the stats so he applied with his 1500 SAT score and 4.3gpa (IB) to 4 ivies but we know chances are slim even if you’re competitive.

I mentioned earlier that several apps and portal supplements explicitly asked about race and Hispanic ethnicity. Some also asked about gender identity. I wish I had kept track but a majority of his applications asked about race and ethnicity.

Not FGLI but somehow got on Questbridge radar and they invited him to apply for QB match but he didn’t. He also has a very typical Hispanic last name and his College Board profile includes National Hispanic and National AA recognition. There was no need to highlight it any further in his essays.

We got so much mail (hard copy and email) from several Ivies and T20 that promoted their commitment to diversity, highlighted students of color, etc.

I am the immediately preceding poster at 21:47
I wish you luck.
As long as the system is the way it is, I wouldn't fight it. I don't begrudge you the benefit the white people are giving you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd have a lot more sympathy for the SFFA crowd if they weren't obsessed with anti-black stereotypes and racism. Crying "Racism" and then being racist isn't appealing.

We are not asking for your sympathy. We are demanding fairness.
You are not giving us something out of generosity. This is ours, we're taking it back.

Go throw someone else's kids under the bus to assuage your white guilt.

Say no to drugs.

SFFA was the only the first case.
Brown v board had to go to the supreme court 3 times over several decades before they finally saw justice.
Hopefully we can get there faster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

It was like 15% at Harvard, Yale, MIT,
It was like 10% at Stanford and Princeton

Most top schools tried to get close to or above 10%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

How do you figure. I mean the top schools are heavily skewed to the northeast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

How do you figure. I mean the top schools are heavily skewed to the northeast.

California has the most asian Americans in the country. That is how that person "figures."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year. These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I posted earlier about having a Hispanic/AA NMSF. My kid has the stats so he applied with his 1500 SAT score and 4.3gpa (IB) to 4 ivies but we know chances are slim even if you’re competitive.

I mentioned earlier that several apps and portal supplements explicitly asked about race and Hispanic ethnicity. Some also asked about gender identity. I wish I had kept track but a majority of his applications asked about race and ethnicity.

Not FGLI but somehow got on Questbridge radar and they invited him to apply for QB match but he didn’t. He also has a very typical Hispanic last name and his College Board profile includes National Hispanic and National AA recognition. There was no need to highlight it any further in his essays.

We got so much mail (hard copy and email) from several Ivies and T20 that promoted their commitment to diversity, highlighted students of color, etc.

I am the immediately preceding poster at 21:47
I wish you luck.
As long as the system is the way it is, I wouldn't fight it. I don't begrudge you the benefit the white people are giving you

It is what it is - I don’t see his hooks as any different than points for legacy or athletes. His stats are competitive enough to give him options.

But some of the other comments on this thread are disappointing especially for QB matches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

Wow! And what is your source? This doesn’t match up with the QB stats or profiles of Ron Brown Scholars, Gates scholars, etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

How do you figure. I mean the top schools are heavily skewed to the northeast.

California has the most asian Americans in the country. That is how that person "figures."

The majority of asians do not live in california.