Post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

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OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

Wow! And what is your source? This doesn’t match up with the QB stats or profiles of Ron Brown Scholars, Gates scholars, etc

All the data ever collected on racial disparities in college admissions is my source.

The fact that there are some or even many qualified applicants does not say anything about the general group. In general about half the URM have the academic stats as their non URM peers at these schools. The rest belong a tier or two below that.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

How do you figure. I mean the top schools are heavily skewed to the northeast.

California has the most asian Americans in the country. That is how that person "figures."

The majority of asians do not live in california.

Someone studied their geometry, because it takes work to be this obtuse and inflexible around words, my lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.

Anecdote is not data.
Your one kid with a 1530 is not representative of the URM at these schools.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

There are a few hundred of us and more every year.

You sound like you think that's a lot.

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

These numbers give the lie to your weekly aspersions that none of us deserve to be where we are

I never said none. The studies by both harvard and SFFA shows that about 5%-7% of top schools would be black without affirmative action. That's not nothing but the numbers we were seeing was double that. If you have to mistate what I said to get mad, maybe you don't really have a reason to be mad.

Most of the 20,000 asian kids are in California colleges. Congrats.

5% - 7% of black kids in the top colleges sound about right. Even with affirmative action, the averages were around those percentages.

How do you figure. I mean the top schools are heavily skewed to the northeast.

California has the most asian Americans in the country. That is how that person "figures."

The majority of asians do not live in california.

Someone studied their geometry, because it takes work to be this obtuse and inflexible around words, my lord.

Saying that "most" of the Asians students go to college in California because California has the "most" Asians is dumb as FUGGG!!!

California has the most white people in the country. Does that mean most white students go to college in California?
California has the most hispanic people int the country. Does that mean most his[panics students go to college in California?

You are dumb as fugg!

Meanwhile asians:

9% of asians get over a 1500. It's reasonably common for asians to get a 1500 SAT score. That's like 20,000 asian kids with 1500+ SAT scores

This is entirely due to differences in how much harder they work (as a group) than anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.

The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough.

Can you give examples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trying to put together a college list with our URm son.

College placement at our private has no guidance in terms of how he may benefit from diversity interests.

Anyone have insight here? It used to be quantifiable, now we feel we are shooting in the dark.

Drop the racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.

???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.

Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?

DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

Wow! And what is your source? This doesn’t match up with the QB stats or profiles of Ron Brown Scholars, Gates scholars, etc

All the data ever collected on racial disparities in college admissions is my source.

The fact that there are some or even many qualified applicants does not say anything about the general group. In general about half the URM have the academic stats as their non URM peers at these schools. The rest belong a tier or two below that.

Just stop. Half uh?