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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]By no means am I an expert but even I know that if you are an URM you should bring it up in your application.  Whether it helps or not is debatable and no one this forum knows for sure one way or another. 
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It absolutely helps.  It helps more than it is supposed to but much less than it used to.
I don't know if we will ever get to a level playing field but i suspect that once the top schools go test required, we will see a moderate amount of affirmative action.
If the SAT score differentials remain high the lawsuits will continue.[/quote]

FFS the fact that a greater number of one group scored at a certain level is not relevant when comparing individuals.  A first generation ESOL student with a 1530 is being compared to a legacy Mayflower student with a 1530. Why does any care at all that a great number of immigrant ESOL students score much lower? They aren't the ones Harvard is evaluating for admission [/quote]

If there is a statistically significant difference between URM students and other students after correcting for permissible factors (like first generation status), then that is evidence of racial discrimination or bias.
If the difference starts to get to very high confidence levels then we can assume that racial discrimination is likely.  
At that point we can begin proceed with the lawsuit and the colleges have to hand over all the information that we need to make the case against them.
If they broke the law then the IRS can revoke tax exempt status and bar federal funding to the institution.
If they don't need those things then  they can keep doing what they want.[/quote]

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