Arlington schools, impact of new administration

[Anonymous]

LOL that people think trump is going to wave a magic want and deport 10 million people at once.

OP, I teach English Learners. Some of them are definitely undocumented but most are not. And since it probably matters to you, of those that were born outside the US, only about half of them are Spanish-speaking. If Trump had his way, my job would be cut (my salary comes from federal funds) and gen ed teachers would have to figure out how to teach a bunch of students who don't speak English.

So no, deportations would not make teachers' lives easier. They'd make it way harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL that people think trump is going to wave a magic want and deport 10 million people at once.

OP, I teach English Learners. Some of them are definitely undocumented but most are not. And since it probably matters to you, of those that were born outside the US, only about half of them are Spanish-speaking. If Trump had his way, my job would be cut (my salary comes from federal funds) and gen ed teachers would have to figure out how to teach a bunch of students who don't speak English.

So no, deportations would not make teachers' lives easier. They'd make it way harder.

PP here and just to make this clear: the general ed teachers would have to figure out how to teach a bunch of students who don't speak English *in addition* to the students they teach now. General ed teachers are more than capable of doing what I do, but they are already spread too thin. Oh, and this same thing goes for Special education teachers. Right now special ed teachers come in and support special ed kids in the general ed classrooms. But if those funds go away, we won't get that either. I am not really worried about my job because I have other options, but I am worried about these kids, yours included.

[Anonymous]

Do people even understand how many federal education rights people take advantage of. People are going to be super happy when their IEPs disappear and education is left completely up to the states.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people even understand how many federal education rights people take advantage of. People are going to be super happy when their IEPs disappear and education is left completely up to the states.

Well, the MAGA will be happy because all of the ESL and IEP students will be warehoused in special schools/classes, and the real American kids will get a 50s style education.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps if mass deportations happen, people will reconsider coming in the first place.

The system as it is kind of entices migrants to make the trip. Free school, free healthcare, free xyz… Deportations would be painful, but things can’t keep going as they are.

You are an idiot. They are not eligible for most federal benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading on the Arlington Education Matters Facebook page teachers are stressed and concerned about the election and impacts to teachers. They mention the elimination of DOE and concern with teachers already being short staffed and overworked. I also see Arlington parents complaining about amount of time it takes to get grades back and responsiveness of counselors who are supporting a large number of students.

Isn’t it a huge plus, the removal of illegals that the new administration is promising? This could significantly reduce the number of students and the numbers that need extra support. It seems to me this is a big upside to reduce crowding and stress on our teachers, school administrators and school infrastructure.

The kids are American citizens

Your delusional if you think Arlington doesn’t have a large illegal population

OK, but tons of those kids were born here and are citizens and have equal rights to you

Then they aren’t getting deported

Yeah, that's my point

and if they live in Arlington they are paying (through rent) property taxes and car taxes and sales taxes etc so their families are paying for the schools....?

Undocumented immigrants generally do not pay their fair share of taxes compared to citizens, and here’s why:

Lack of Income Tax Contributions: Many undocumented immigrants work in jobs that pay cash "under the table," avoiding income taxes entirely. This means they do not contribute to federal and state income taxes, which fund critical services such as education, healthcare, and infrastructure.

No Contributions to Social Security and Medicare: In "under-the-table" employment situations, undocumented workers also avoid paying into Social Security and Medicare. These are essential programs that legal residents pay into throughout their working lives, providing a safety net for older adults and those in need of medical assistance.

Limited Property Tax Contributions: While some undocumented immigrants may rent properties, they do not directly pay property taxes. Property taxes are often the primary source of funding for local public schools and other municipal services. The indirect contribution through rent is generally lower than what homeowners pay directly, and it doesn’t fully account for the services used by these families.

Minimal Contribution via Sales Taxes: Although undocumented immigrants do pay sales taxes on goods they buy, these contributions are relatively minor compared to income and property taxes. Sales taxes alone are insufficient to cover the public services used by all residents.

Higher Use of Public Services: Because many undocumented immigrants are in lower-income brackets, they often rely more heavily on public resources such as education and emergency healthcare services. The demand for these services increases costs for taxpayers, yet without equivalent contributions from undocumented workers to offset these expenses.

While undocumented immigrants do contribute in small ways, the lack of income tax, Social Security, Medicare, and direct property tax contributions means they do not pay their share like citizens, placing a disproportionate burden on tax-funded services.

They pay social security taxes. Folks use old work authorization numbers, made up numbers, stolen numbers, etc. Employers are required to ask for proof of work eligibility they are NOT required to verify it. Plenty of undocumented workers pay into the system. They also pay income tax. Not everyone that is undocumented works under the table.

They paid an estimated 96.7 billion in federal, state and local taxes in 2022. 59.4 billion of which went to the federal gov.

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps if mass deportations happen, people will reconsider coming in the first place.

The system as it is kind of entices migrants to make the trip. Free school, free healthcare, free xyz… Deportations would be painful, but things can’t keep going as they are.

You are an idiot. They are not eligible for most federal benefits.

My point is there will be no oversight by DOE and courts will not care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Education is the purview of the states. Take all the money given to DOE and give it to the states to pay teachers more. Why should education dollars be in the federal bureaucracy that tells us our kids can’t have bake sales because of their school food programs?

Because some federal laws apply to the schools, such as the IDEA and the ADA. This money, which helps students with a wide range of special needs, needs to be allocated by the federal government. It's the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is the purview of the states. Take all the money given to DOE and give it to the states to pay teachers more. Why should education dollars be in the federal bureaucracy that tells us our kids can’t have bake sales because of their school food programs?

Because some federal laws apply to the schools, such as the IDEA and the ADA. This money, which helps students with a wide range of special needs, needs to be allocated by the federal government. It's the law.

Yeah those kids in wheelchairs etc will be going to a separate but equal school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do people even understand how many federal education rights people take advantage of. People are going to be super happy when their IEPs disappear and education is left completely up to the states.

Well, the MAGA will be happy because all of the ESL and IEP students will be warehoused in special schools/classes, and the real American kids will get a 50s style education.

Because obviously all kids are the same and should all be taught in the same classroom. The backlash is because of snowflake parents like you who think that it's okay for your kid to hold the rest of the class back. If you aren't okay with tracked classrooms in the same building then the alternative I guess is having different buildings. And before you say it, no normal kid needs sensitivity training for 8 hours a day at school. They can get it at other places.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps if mass deportations happen, people will reconsider coming in the first place.

The system as it is kind of entices migrants to make the trip. Free school, free healthcare, free xyz… Deportations would be painful, but things can’t keep going as they are.

You are an idiot. They are not eligible for most federal benefits.

Oh really?

Do public schools turn them away? No.

Do public hospitals turn them away? Also no.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading on the Arlington Education Matters Facebook page teachers are stressed and concerned about the election and impacts to teachers. They mention the elimination of DOE and concern with teachers already being short staffed and overworked. I also see Arlington parents complaining about amount of time it takes to get grades back and responsiveness of counselors who are supporting a large number of students.

Isn’t it a huge plus, the removal of illegals that the new administration is promising? This could significantly reduce the number of students and the numbers that need extra support. It seems to me this is a big upside to reduce crowding and stress on our teachers, school administrators and school infrastructure.

The kids are American citizens

Your delusional if you think Arlington doesn’t have a large illegal population

OK, but tons of those kids were born here and are citizens and have equal rights to you

Then they aren’t getting deported

Yeah, that's my point

and if they live in Arlington they are paying (through rent) property taxes and car taxes and sales taxes etc so their families are paying for the schools....?

Undocumented immigrants generally do not pay their fair share of taxes compared to citizens, and here’s why:

Lack of Income Tax Contributions: Many undocumented immigrants work in jobs that pay cash "under the table," avoiding income taxes entirely. This means they do not contribute to federal and state income taxes, which fund critical services such as education, healthcare, and infrastructure.

No Contributions to Social Security and Medicare: In "under-the-table" employment situations, undocumented workers also avoid paying into Social Security and Medicare. These are essential programs that legal residents pay into throughout their working lives, providing a safety net for older adults and those in need of medical assistance.

Limited Property Tax Contributions: While some undocumented immigrants may rent properties, they do not directly pay property taxes. Property taxes are often the primary source of funding for local public schools and other municipal services. The indirect contribution through rent is generally lower than what homeowners pay directly, and it doesn’t fully account for the services used by these families.

Minimal Contribution via Sales Taxes: Although undocumented immigrants do pay sales taxes on goods they buy, these contributions are relatively minor compared to income and property taxes. Sales taxes alone are insufficient to cover the public services used by all residents.

Higher Use of Public Services: Because many undocumented immigrants are in lower-income brackets, they often rely more heavily on public resources such as education and emergency healthcare services. The demand for these services increases costs for taxpayers, yet without equivalent contributions from undocumented workers to offset these expenses.

While undocumented immigrants do contribute in small ways, the lack of income tax, Social Security, Medicare, and direct property tax contributions means they do not pay their share like citizens, placing a disproportionate burden on tax-funded services.

They pay social security taxes. Folks use old work authorization numbers, made up numbers, stolen numbers, etc. Employers are required to ask for proof of work eligibility they are NOT required to verify it. Plenty of undocumented workers pay into the system. They also pay income tax. Not everyone that is undocumented works under the table.

They paid an estimated 96.7 billion in federal, state and local taxes in 2022. 59.4 billion of which went to the federal gov.

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

But how much did they take from the government? If it's not significantly less, then all they did is steal finite funds for services from lower class citizens while depressing wages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps if mass deportations happen, people will reconsider coming in the first place.

The system as it is kind of entices migrants to make the trip. Free school, free healthcare, free xyz… Deportations would be painful, but things can’t keep going as they are.

You are an idiot. They are not eligible for most federal benefits.

Oh really?

Do public schools turn them away? No.

Do public hospitals turn them away? Also no.

I said “most” federal benefits. Their kids can attend schools and they can get emergency medical care at hospitals. They don’t get food stamps or housing or things like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading on the Arlington Education Matters Facebook page teachers are stressed and concerned about the election and impacts to teachers. They mention the elimination of DOE and concern with teachers already being short staffed and overworked. I also see Arlington parents complaining about amount of time it takes to get grades back and responsiveness of counselors who are supporting a large number of students.

Isn’t it a huge plus, the removal of illegals that the new administration is promising? This could significantly reduce the number of students and the numbers that need extra support. It seems to me this is a big upside to reduce crowding and stress on our teachers, school administrators and school infrastructure.

The kids are American citizens

Your delusional if you think Arlington doesn’t have a large illegal population

OK, but tons of those kids were born here and are citizens and have equal rights to you

Then they aren’t getting deported

Yeah, that's my point

and if they live in Arlington they are paying (through rent) property taxes and car taxes and sales taxes etc so their families are paying for the schools....?

Undocumented immigrants generally do not pay their fair share of taxes compared to citizens, and here’s why:

Lack of Income Tax Contributions: Many undocumented immigrants work in jobs that pay cash "under the table," avoiding income taxes entirely. This means they do not contribute to federal and state income taxes, which fund critical services such as education, healthcare, and infrastructure.

No Contributions to Social Security and Medicare: In "under-the-table" employment situations, undocumented workers also avoid paying into Social Security and Medicare. These are essential programs that legal residents pay into throughout their working lives, providing a safety net for older adults and those in need of medical assistance.

Limited Property Tax Contributions: While some undocumented immigrants may rent properties, they do not directly pay property taxes. Property taxes are often the primary source of funding for local public schools and other municipal services. The indirect contribution through rent is generally lower than what homeowners pay directly, and it doesn’t fully account for the services used by these families.

Minimal Contribution via Sales Taxes: Although undocumented immigrants do pay sales taxes on goods they buy, these contributions are relatively minor compared to income and property taxes. Sales taxes alone are insufficient to cover the public services used by all residents.

Higher Use of Public Services: Because many undocumented immigrants are in lower-income brackets, they often rely more heavily on public resources such as education and emergency healthcare services. The demand for these services increases costs for taxpayers, yet without equivalent contributions from undocumented workers to offset these expenses.

While undocumented immigrants do contribute in small ways, the lack of income tax, Social Security, Medicare, and direct property tax contributions means they do not pay their share like citizens, placing a disproportionate burden on tax-funded services.

They pay social security taxes. Folks use old work authorization numbers, made up numbers, stolen numbers, etc. Employers are required to ask for proof of work eligibility they are NOT required to verify it. Plenty of undocumented workers pay into the system. They also pay income tax. Not everyone that is undocumented works under the table.

They paid an estimated 96.7 billion in federal, state and local taxes in 2022. 59.4 billion of which went to the federal gov.

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

But how much did they take from the government? If it's not significantly less, then all they did is steal finite funds for services from lower class citizens while depressing wages.

PP posted a story about that too. They are net benefit to economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL that people think trump is going to wave a magic want and deport 10 million people at once.

OP, I teach English Learners. Some of them are definitely undocumented but most are not. And since it probably matters to you, of those that were born outside the US, only about half of them are Spanish-speaking. If Trump had his way, my job would be cut (my salary comes from federal funds) and gen ed teachers would have to figure out how to teach a bunch of students who don't speak English.

So no, deportations would not make teachers' lives easier. They'd make it way harder.

Title 1 is part of a federal law that’s been in place since 1965. Funds are appropriated by Congress, not the president.

Again people, the president cannot do anything by himself about your job funded via Title 1.