This is the heart of the abortion debate and always has been, and this new tactic of calling abortion Healthcare doesn't change this. The key word in your sentence is "I". Not everyone agrees with you. And they don't need to, no matter how frustrated you get. Your frustration is not other's emergency. I personally think elective abortions should never happen, but legal or illegal, abortions are going to happen unfortunately no matter what the government says. So I think the govt should not speak to the issue at all, for or against. |
You can abort a mission in an aircraft. Just applying the words abortion doesn't mean the same thing is bring talked about in each instance. I know how to use a dictionary so not subject to your gotcha moment. |
I am a medical professional. You know exactly what she meant here. Removing a dead fetus is not an elective abortion. I see women who have had more than 10 elective abortions. I see women who refuse to start prenatal vitamins because "I'm not sure if I'm keeping it. Depends on if the father steps up." This procedure is treated glibly and without the required seriousness. I started my career fully pro-choice but I've seen too much now. |
DP but do you? Do you not understand that red states have banned these types of procedures? They don't make a distinction in many cases. |
Well if you think I am stupid and feel the need to tell me to my (internet) face no point in us having a discussion and I am not going to listen to anything you have to say. |
So focus on them and leave the rest of us and our families alone.. my reproductive life is none of your business. |
Op - 100% I am not trying to get into your reproductive life at all! Why can’t republicans get out of everyone else’s reproductive life too? Leave it up to the individual and their doctor? |
So willful ignorance then. You obviously don't understand that red states are banning these procedures across the board...even procedures that you apparently wouldn't consider an abortion. Oh well, I guess enjoy living an OB and healthcare desert. I hope you don't have daughters, sisters, nieces, or wives who ever have to experience this. |
The problem is that this is not your place to force this women to give birth against her choice. You would never make them and that is fine and should be respected. You cannot force your will about reductive decisions on this person. That is not your right or your place. |
Remember, I am so stupid so just count me out because I can't think straight, so you are wasting your time trying to "educate" me. |
Ok, we should have this freedom, and the freedom to use as much water we want in washing machines, grocery stores can be free to give us plastic bags, freedom to buy incandescent bulbs... oh wait... |
Not voting for Trump, but think the hysterics (pun intended) are hyperbole. Republican women are not much different from Democrat women. I believe that reasonable policies will take place. I also believe Roe was bad precedent for ruling from the Ben h in many issues, and have asked for decades if this was so important why wasn’t it legislated or put in the constitution. Politicians should have continued to debate until there was a resolution among them. |
Republicans want democrats to stay out of their medical decisions and let people decide with their doctor whether vaccines are right for them. Democrats believe it’s their right to get in republicans’ medical business because it “might save a life”. Abortions are literally taking a life, by definition. So let’s start there. And I do support abortion to a point, by the way, just sick of the “republicans are getting in my business and we don’t get in theirs” claims that any serious person can see are lies. |
OP - so you think we shouldn't enforce vaccines in schools then? Parents should have the right to choose if they don't vaccinate their child against whooping cough, measles, mumps, etc? |
Sure it is. Because every pregnancy affects the mother’s body and is a potential harm to her. Every pregnancy stresses a woman’s health. You can’t grow something in your body, changing it in numerous ways that are not ideal health wise (higher blood pressure, looser joints, stretching out and deforming skin, muscle, spine, pelvis, putting pressure on nerves, hormonal disruption, redirection of the nutrients you eat toward that growing entity and away from your body, stress on the lungs and heart) and then expel it from your body in a violent painful way that includes blood loss and severe pain as well as potential ripping or cutting open of your body without calling that a major stressor on your body. If a woman decides she doesn’t want to go through that process for whatever reason she is improving her health by terminating the process early. I’m sorry that uncomfortable truth bothers you. But it is absolutely true that non-pregnancy puts less physical stress on a woman’s health than pregnancy does. That’s just simple medicine. And yes something that concerns health is a health issue and taking care of that one way or another is healthcare. |