Starting to question the high protein hype

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tracking macros and calories and whatnot are so boring. It makes me want to dive facefirst into a large lasagna.

I agree with you, and I’m the OP!

+1

there is no need for the average person, even in cal deficit, to track macros.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

Lol. You may want to do a little digging on your "source"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

Pray tell, what DOES cause kidney disease? You’re clearly an expert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amused that people think 120g of protein is a lot. I would not even refer to that as high protein diet. I eat significantly more than that and all my health markers look great. Looking at the protein alone is taking things very out of context. There might be other things going on in OP's case beyond the protein intake.

It is a lot, dummy. Objectively. Based on every single study of human protein requirements.

I’ll bet you’re one of those people who walked around in the snow in flip flops while you were in college, laughing and saying stupid things like you don’t know why people refer to sub-zero temperatures as freezing because you wouldn’t even describe it as chilly…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:120g is 1 whole chicken, fine to eat one after leg day but every day for 6 month? How did you stomach that much.

120g of protein is 400g of chicken breast and that can easily be eaten in two meals. But obviously you don't have to eat just chicken. You can do yoghurt, eggs, cottage cheese, fish. Tons of protein dense option with low calorie content. And considering many other foods (bread, legumes, some veggies) contain protein too it all adds up. 120g is very easy to get and stomach. I get that without even trying. It is just a normal way of eating for me. And I still get plenty of carbs and fat too as 120g of protein is only 480 calories.

I’m just curious how many calories you eat ever day. I only eat about 1400 calories a day and there’s no way I could hit 120 g of protein unless it was all I ate. Looking back over my food tracker for the past 4 months, the only says that I even hit over 80 are the days I eat fish, which I probably shouldn’t eat every day.

120g of protein is just 480 calories. Still plenty left for other things even if you just eat 1400, but you should try to eat more. 1400 is very low for an adult.

Ma’am, with all due respect, you need to stop giving nutrition advice. You are what the kids refer to as confidently incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

Lol. You may want to do a little digging on your "source"

Are you going to contradict the national kidney foundation, too?

https://www.kidney.org/news-stories/10-common-habits-may-harm-your-kidneys#:~:text=Eating%20Too%20Much%20Meat,cannot%20eliminate%20acid%20fast%20enough.

“6. Eating Too Much Meat

Animal protein generates high amounts of acid in the blood that can be harmful to the kidneys and cause acidosis – a condition in which kidneys cannot eliminate acid fast enough. Protein is needed for growth, upkeep and repair of all parts of the body but your diet should be well balanced with fruits and vegetables.”


Oh look! Vegan and lacto ovo vegetarian diets are associated with a 31% reduced risk of kidney disease - could it be that animal protein intake increases kidney disease prevalence? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051587/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20diet%20is%20associated,population%20had%20CKD%20%5B2%5D.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

Lol. You may want to do a little digging on your "source"

Are you going to contradict the national kidney foundation, too?

https://www.kidney.org/news-stories/10-common-habits-may-harm-your-kidneys#:~:text=Eating%20Too%20Much%20Meat,cannot%20eliminate%20acid%20fast%20enough.

“6. Eating Too Much Meat

Animal protein generates high amounts of acid in the blood that can be harmful to the kidneys and cause acidosis – a condition in which kidneys cannot eliminate acid fast enough. Protein is needed for growth, upkeep and repair of all parts of the body but your diet should be well balanced with fruits and vegetables.”


Oh look! Vegan and lacto ovo vegetarian diets are associated with a 31% reduced risk of kidney disease - could it be that animal protein intake increases kidney disease prevalence? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051587/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20diet%20is%20associated,population%20had%20CKD%20%5B2%5D.

Oops forgot to include this link from the national kidney foundation (what do they know about kidneys, really?) on how a plant based diet can help your kidneys stay healthy - and your heart, and your waistline and blood sugars etc.

https://www.kidney.org/kidney-topics/plant-based-diet-and-kidney-health

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tracking macros and calories and whatnot are so boring. It makes me want to dive facefirst into a large lasagna.

I agree with you, and I’m the OP!

+1

there is no need for the average person, even in cal deficit, to track macros.

The macro all persons should be tracking is FIBER. Most Americans are fiber deficient and a fiber deficient diet is linked to poorer health and earlier death. The body of research is unquestionable.

Get 25-50g of fiber from whole foodstuffs as minimally processed as possible heavy on the beans/legumes and green leafy vegetables and berries every day. Do that and your health will transform, assuming you also ditch the mass quantities of animal protein and the sugar and added sugars in UPFs and also steer clear of seed oils.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

Lol. You may want to do a little digging on your "source"

Are you going to contradict the national kidney foundation, too?

https://www.kidney.org/news-stories/10-common-habits-may-harm-your-kidneys#:~:text=Eating%20Too%20Much%20Meat,cannot%20eliminate%20acid%20fast%20enough.

“6. Eating Too Much Meat

Animal protein generates high amounts of acid in the blood that can be harmful to the kidneys and cause acidosis – a condition in which kidneys cannot eliminate acid fast enough. Protein is needed for growth, upkeep and repair of all parts of the body but your diet should be well balanced with fruits and vegetables.”


Oh look! Vegan and lacto ovo vegetarian diets are associated with a 31% reduced risk of kidney disease - could it be that animal protein intake increases kidney disease prevalence? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051587/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20diet%20is%20associated,population%20had%20CKD%20%5B2%5D.

Oops forgot to include this link from the national kidney foundation (what do they know about kidneys, really?) on how a plant based diet can help your kidneys stay healthy - and your heart, and your waistline and blood sugars etc.

https://www.kidney.org/kidney-topics/plant-based-diet-and-kidney-health

DP but you are 100% correct. Switching to a vegan diet can stabilize CKD, particularly when looking eGFR and uACR. Have personally seen amazing success with cutting out all animal protein.

[Anonymous]

I’m also high protein and Dr flagged some stuff on last blood work. I added fiber, 2 grams plant sterols and 1 g red yeast rice. Cut my total cholesterol from 207 to 163 and triglycerides from 62 to 45.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once you get to level 3, level 4 and level 5 kidney disease there are no meds that reverse kidney damage from eating too much protein.

Natural animal proteins do not cause kidney disease. If you are getting your protein from a bottle then absolutely stop doing that

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-effect-of-animal-protein-on-the-kidneys/#:~:text=Animal%20protein%20intake%20profoundly%20affects,our%20kidneys%20fail%20so%20often.

"Animal protein intake profoundly affects normal human kidney function, inducing what’s called hyperfiltration, which increases the workload of the kidney. This may help explain why our kidneys fail so often."

Lol. You may want to do a little digging on your "source"

Are you going to contradict the national kidney foundation, too?

https://www.kidney.org/news-stories/10-common-habits-may-harm-your-kidneys#:~:text=Eating%20Too%20Much%20Meat,cannot%20eliminate%20acid%20fast%20enough.

“6. Eating Too Much Meat

Animal protein generates high amounts of acid in the blood that can be harmful to the kidneys and cause acidosis – a condition in which kidneys cannot eliminate acid fast enough. Protein is needed for growth, upkeep and repair of all parts of the body but your diet should be well balanced with fruits and vegetables.”


Oh look! Vegan and lacto ovo vegetarian diets are associated with a 31% reduced risk of kidney disease - could it be that animal protein intake increases kidney disease prevalence? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051587/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20diet%20is%20associated,population%20had%20CKD%20%5B2%5D.

Thanks you for this!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:120g is 1 whole chicken, fine to eat one after leg day but every day for 6 month? How did you stomach that much.

120g of protein is 400g of chicken breast and that can easily be eaten in two meals. But obviously you don't have to eat just chicken. You can do yoghurt, eggs, cottage cheese, fish. Tons of protein dense option with low calorie content. And considering many other foods (bread, legumes, some veggies) contain protein too it all adds up. 120g is very easy to get and stomach. I get that without even trying. It is just a normal way of eating for me. And I still get plenty of carbs and fat too as 120g of protein is only 480 calories.

I’m just curious how many calories you eat ever day. I only eat about 1400 calories a day and there’s no way I could hit 120 g of protein unless it was all I ate. Looking back over my food tracker for the past 4 months, the only says that I even hit over 80 are the days I eat fish, which I probably shouldn’t eat every day.

120g of protein is just 480 calories. Still plenty left for other things even if you just eat 1400, but you should try to eat more. 1400 is very low for an adult.

Ma’am, with all due respect, you need to stop giving nutrition advice. You are what the kids refer to as confidently incorrect.

You sound like a man, full of insults but no real content.
Now tell me, which part is incorrect, the 480 calories? Or eat more than 1400?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tracking macros and calories and whatnot are so boring. It makes me want to dive facefirst into a large lasagna.

I agree with you, and I’m the OP!

+1

there is no need for the average person, even in cal deficit, to track macros.

The macro all persons should be tracking is FIBER. Most Americans are fiber deficient and a fiber deficient diet is linked to poorer health and earlier death. The body of research is unquestionable.

Get 25-50g of fiber from whole foodstuffs as minimally processed as possible heavy on the beans/legumes and green leafy vegetables and berries every day. Do that and your health will transform, assuming you also ditch the mass quantities of animal protein and the sugar and added sugars in UPFs and also steer clear of seed oils.

My Asian mom cooks a lot of green leafy stuff and they take up too much space in my kids stomach which leaves less room for animal and carbs. Every time she visits my kids then kinda green and weak by 2nd week lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tracking macros and calories and whatnot are so boring. It makes me want to dive facefirst into a large lasagna.

I agree with you, and I’m the OP!

+1

there is no need for the average person, even in cal deficit, to track macros.

The macro all persons should be tracking is FIBER. Most Americans are fiber deficient and a fiber deficient diet is linked to poorer health and earlier death. The body of research is unquestionable.

Get 25-50g of fiber from whole foodstuffs as minimally processed as possible heavy on the beans/legumes and green leafy vegetables and berries every day. Do that and your health will transform, assuming you also ditch the mass quantities of animal protein and the sugar and added sugars in UPFs and also steer clear of seed oils.

I was with you until you uttered the phrase “seed oils.”