jobs are very hard to find for recent grads.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

Where? We aren't seeing it. Parent here with kid who graduated in 3 years in stem with high gpa and isn't finding this.

Three years is a weird time to graduate. I say that as my niece and nephew did that 3 year thing and you are the age on an intern and not graduating with your class. Harder to find a job. My niece did find a job but she is 20 living at home and HS class of 2021 and not old enough to drink and does not own a car. I mean when I was in B4 we drive to clients, drive on on business trips, took clients to lunch and had happy hours and cocktail party type events. I would assume under 21 is a tough sell for my Niece at my old B4 company. If she had stayed and graduated with her class and 21 be better. She did find something. But she has same major as my daughter who started at a 30K higher salary. My daughter lives in the City, walking distance to work, was about to turn 22 when started and her job involved a lot of traveling, meeting clients and work dinners. Not something I think she could do at 20.

+1 My kid is a second year college student, but a senior, dual major, thanks to generous AP/IB credits. They could, in theory, graduate next year, at 20. But, they are going to do a +1 masters, so they will be officially hitting the job market at 21. I told them that a lot of employers may not want such a young person, in part, because of maturity. Yes, they are responsible, straight As, but they still have some emotional/mental maturity growing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

Where? We aren't seeing it. Parent here with kid who graduated in 3 years in stem with high gpa and isn't finding this.

Three years is a weird time to graduate. I say that as my niece and nephew did that 3 year thing and you are the age on an intern and not graduating with your class. Harder to find a job. My niece did find a job but she is 20 living at home and HS class of 2021 and not old enough to drink and does not own a car. I mean when I was in B4 we drive to clients, drive on on business trips, took clients to lunch and had happy hours and cocktail party type events. I would assume under 21 is a tough sell for my Niece at my old B4 company. If she had stayed and graduated with her class and 21 be better. She did find something. But she has same major as my daughter who started at a 30K higher salary. My daughter lives in the City, walking distance to work, was about to turn 22 when started and her job involved a lot of traveling, meeting clients and work dinners. Not something I think she could do at 20.

Put another way…the job market doesn’t care you graduated early, especially if it was done at the expense of internships and other things to enhance your resume.

There was a story of a prodigy that graduated college at 18 and found exactly one company willing to hire them after applying to literally 1,000…all because of their age and lack of experience.

Maybe graduate programs eat it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

Where? We aren't seeing it. Parent here with kid who graduated in 3 years in stem with high gpa and isn't finding this.

Three years is a weird time to graduate. I say that as my niece and nephew did that 3 year thing and you are the age on an intern and not graduating with your class. Harder to find a job. My niece did find a job but she is 20 living at home and HS class of 2021 and not old enough to drink and does not own a car. I mean when I was in B4 we drive to clients, drive on on business trips, took clients to lunch and had happy hours and cocktail party type events. I would assume under 21 is a tough sell for my Niece at my old B4 company. If she had stayed and graduated with her class and 21 be better. She did find something. But she has same major as my daughter who started at a 30K higher salary. My daughter lives in the City, walking distance to work, was about to turn 22 when started and her job involved a lot of traveling, meeting clients and work dinners. Not something I think she could do at 20.

Don't most kids turn 21 their junior year?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard even fresh grads with CS from top 10 CS schools are also having a hard time.

Yes, my nephew graduated from CM and had an offer rescinded at a big tech company. He was devastated. He'd put a deposit down on an apartment in that city and everything. The company made cutbacks/layoffs and rescinded several job offers. He'd even interned at the same company the summer before his senior year.

My sister & BIL had to pay to break his lease because that was cheaper than them paying his rent in that city for the next X months while he looked for a new job.

My BIL said he applied to over 100 jobs but only received a handful of interviews. He ended up getting a job with a smaller newish company in the DMV area. He's living at home and applying to everything he comes across. I don't know what his salary is but my sis said it wouldn't even cover 1 year of tuition at CM.

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Anonymous wrote:When have jobs not been hard to get for recent grads? 2001-3 was rough for a lot of people.

As well as 1991-1993 and 2008-2010…in fact both those periods were far worse (as well as 2001-03).

You can't say those periods were "far worse" than now. We don't know where the economy is going, and recent grads tend to be the "canary in the coal mine" for jobs. Not to mention, they just revised the jobs number for March down 800,000+.

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What jobs are there for biomedical engineering without a masters? Seriously, where is she applying?
Research, labs, health care entities? Good jobs will require more study, direct care jobs might not. Does she want to work in tech?

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Anonymous wrote:When have jobs not been hard to get for recent grads? 2001-3 was rough for a lot of people.

As well as 1991-1993 and 2008-2010…in fact both those periods were far worse (as well as 2001-03).

You can't say those periods were "far worse" than now. We don't know where the economy is going, and recent grads tend to be the "canary in the coal mine" for jobs. Not to mention, they just revised the jobs number for March down 800,000+.

Of course we can…the stock market was tanking and overall unemployment was more than double current levels. There are countless articles from those time periods describing how bad the job market was for new grads

They revise the job numbers up and down every year at this time. Go look at the revisions for the past 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

Where? We aren't seeing it. Parent here with kid who graduated in 3 years in stem with high gpa and isn't finding this.

I knew it was bs.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard even fresh grads with CS from top 10 CS schools are also having a hard time.

Yes, my nephew graduated from CM and had an offer rescinded at a big tech company. He was devastated. He'd put a deposit down on an apartment in that city and everything. The company made cutbacks/layoffs and rescinded several job offers. He'd even interned at the same company the summer before his senior year.

My sister & BIL had to pay to break his lease because that was cheaper than them paying his rent in that city for the next X months while he looked for a new job.

My BIL said he applied to over 100 jobs but only received a handful of interviews. He ended up getting a job with a smaller newish company in the DMV area. He's living at home and applying to everything he comes across. I don't know what his salary is but my sis said it wouldn't even cover 1 year of tuition at CM.

100% accurate with my son. Graduated with a degree in Computer Engineering from Pittsburgh University back in December 2023 with two internships. Despite that, he is still looking for a job. He was offered a full-time position from the company that he interned with but the offer was rescinded due to funding. He had applied over 2,500 jobs, reached out to school career center, alumni, and others without much luck. Five of his friends are also in the same boat. He is willing to relocate but the job market is BAD everywhere for tech. His GF, soon to be fiance, also Pitt grad, is also looking for a job. They are living with me without paying while looking for jobs. I am sure the last thing they want to do is to rely on me but thankfully, they don't have student loans.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a hard time believing she can't get an entry level job at Astra Zeneca.

Believe it. My wife is in the tech recruiting space and she says that the market is so bad for recent grads.

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My DS is age 21 and has been looking for internships and now jobs, as he is preparing to graduate from a big state university in December.

With LinkedIn and other career sites, it seems like it would be easier to apply for jobs. However, because anyone and everyone can see all of the available openings, any remotely desirable job gets tons of applicants. It's helpful that LinkedIn at least shows how many people have already applied. For positions where 40+ people have already applied, my DS tends not to apply as he figures it's just a lottery and a waste of time to apply. So it almost seems better to focus on networking rather than attempting to find a job using an online posting.

If anyone has examples of a new college grad getting a job through on online job posting, please respond in this forum because it will at least be good to know that it does happen. Thank you.

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Yes the job market is really bad right now, the govt revised down new jobs by The Bureau of Labor Statistics’ preliminary annual benchmark review of employment data suggests that there were 818,000 fewer jobs in March of this year than were initially reported.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard even fresh grads with CS from top 10 CS schools are also having a hard time.

As a hiring manager, this is not congruent with what I am seeing. Maybe a few particular students have gaps in their skill sets, but quoted text above is not broadly true iME.

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Anonymous wrote:Did she look into patent examining?

Excellent point. USPTO.gov is always hiring people with technical degrees.

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Pharma sales rep?