jobs are very hard to find for recent grads.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the notion of graduating and then looking for a job. Are these kids really just applying to random jobs with no specific plan??

I spent all four years of undergrad networking, interning, volunteering and strategizing so I'd have a job post-graduation. I knew I couldn't live at home again (mentally unstable parents) so I got off my tush and worked it. I did something to build my career options every summer and every semester of college. I had plans A, B, C and D, with sub options in the wings. My resume was highly tuned and demonstrated specialization in several highly desirable skills and I had recommendations from several folks who were well respected in their industries. I received several job offers by January of senior year. Waiting until graduation or close to graduation to find a job is stupid IMO.

Same, but without the unstable parent situation.

Probably triple tracked my grad plans with lsat test, banking recruiting in the fall and internship offer at Fed reserve bank. Never took the lsat, had an offer by Christmas 2000. Then the market tanked and things were dicey, but I made it through 3+ years in nyc summer 2001-2003.

Did same thing when switching jobs or considering b school. Interviewed for jobs plus applied, took the best option, didn’t dwell on it.

This is the part I don’t really understand. In the two areas I went into from undergrad and grad school, recruiting took place during the year before graduation. Is that not common in some fields?

For big programs at larger companies yes they recruit 9-18 mos ahead of time. So that would be if OPs young adult wanted to do sales & trading, or equity research in healthcare or Pharma companies or corp finance/banking in the health care group.

Corp jobs hire ppl with 2-4 years of experience from that, or if have a training program hire as needed from undergrads. Amgen? Pfizer? Eli Lilly? Go to europe? Startups?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the notion of graduating and then looking for a job. Are these kids really just applying to random jobs with no specific plan??

I spent all four years of undergrad networking, interning, volunteering and strategizing so I'd have a job post-graduation. I knew I couldn't live at home again (mentally unstable parents) so I got off my tush and worked it. I did something to build my career options every summer and every semester of college. I had plans A, B, C and D, with sub options in the wings. My resume was highly tuned and demonstrated specialization in several highly desirable skills and I had recommendations from several folks who were well respected in their industries. I received several job offers by January of senior year. Waiting until graduation or close to graduation to find a job is stupid IMO.

Same, but without the unstable parent situation.

Probably triple tracked my grad plans with lsat test, banking recruiting in the fall and internship offer at Fed reserve bank. Never took the lsat, had an offer by Christmas 2000. Then the market tanked and things were dicey, but I made it through 3+ years in nyc summer 2001-2003.

Did same thing when switching jobs or considering b school. Interviewed for jobs plus applied, took the best option, didn’t dwell on it.

This is the part I don’t really understand. In the two areas I went into from undergrad and grad school, recruiting took place during the year before graduation. Is that not common in some fields?

For big programs at larger companies yes they recruit 9-18 mos ahead of time. So that would be if OPs young adult wanted to do sales & trading, or equity research in healthcare or Pharma companies or corp finance/banking in the health care group.

Corp jobs hire ppl with 2-4 years of experience from that, or if have a training program hire as needed from undergrads. Amgen? Pfizer? Eli Lilly? Go to europe? Startups?

PP here. I realize that and I think this is kind of my point. I did undergrad in a business program and tons of companies recruited there through a formal process and most kids left with jobs in hand (and this was 2010/2011 when the job market was much worse). I guess this isn’t common in other academic areas then? If the ivies are so great you would think they would have this figured out.

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Who knows. it’s a parent posting about an adult child. Who knows what’s really happening.

My best advice for entry college kids is to make and have some older friends there so you see and hear about recruiting, good professors, best classes, tips, etc. firsthand.

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Anonymous wrote:I found the career center to be useless at my University.

She needs to wait tables or work at starbucks or work retail and keep applying.

She needs to be willing to relocate. A lot of the medical device companies are in the south and the economy is growing in the south. In my southern university town we have around 4 medical device companies that are always hiring entry level.

Talk to the military recruiters. They are always hiring from the Ivy colleges. My sister could not get a job when she graduated from Wharton (Univ of Penn). She ended up joining the Marines to get a job and there were about 4 classmates from Wharton who also joined the Marines at that time as they could not get jobs.

Doing what? What is the commitment level? You can't just do it for a year or two then quit w/ an honorable discharge, can you?

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Anonymous wrote:I found the career center to be useless at my University.

She needs to wait tables or work at starbucks or work retail and keep applying.

She needs to be willing to relocate. A lot of the medical device companies are in the south and the economy is growing in the south. In my southern university town we have around 4 medical device companies that are always hiring entry level.

Talk to the military recruiters. They are always hiring from the Ivy colleges. My sister could not get a job when she graduated from Wharton (Univ of Penn). She ended up joining the Marines to get a job and there were about 4 classmates from Wharton who also joined the Marines at that time as they could not get jobs.

Doing what? What is the commitment level? You can't just do it for a year or two then quit w/ an honorable discharge, can you?

If you have a college degree you go in as a commissioned officer (hard to say what field), could be personnel or logistics, mostly managing people. It’s usually a 3 or 4 year commitment, so no you can’t just quit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the notion of graduating and then looking for a job. Are these kids really just applying to random jobs with no specific plan??

I spent all four years of undergrad networking, interning, volunteering and strategizing so I'd have a job post-graduation. I knew I couldn't live at home again (mentally unstable parents) so I got off my tush and worked it. I did something to build my career options every summer and every semester of college. I had plans A, B, C and D, with sub options in the wings. My resume was highly tuned and demonstrated specialization in several highly desirable skills and I had recommendations from several folks who were well respected in their industries. I received several job offers by January of senior year. Waiting until graduation or close to graduation to find a job is stupid IMO.

Same, but without the unstable parent situation.

Probably triple tracked my grad plans with lsat test, banking recruiting in the fall and internship offer at Fed reserve bank. Never took the lsat, had an offer by Christmas 2000. Then the market tanked and things were dicey, but I made it through 3+ years in nyc summer 2001-2003.

Did same thing when switching jobs or considering b school. Interviewed for jobs plus applied, took the best option, didn’t dwell on it.

This is the part I don’t really understand. In the two areas I went into from undergrad and grad school, recruiting took place during the year before graduation. Is that not common in some fields?

For big programs at larger companies yes they recruit 9-18 mos ahead of time. So that would be if OPs young adult wanted to do sales & trading, or equity research in healthcare or Pharma companies or corp finance/banking in the health care group.

Corp jobs hire ppl with 2-4 years of experience from that, or if have a training program hire as needed from undergrads. Amgen? Pfizer? Eli Lilly? Go to europe? Startups?

PP here. I realize that and I think this is kind of my point. I did undergrad in a business program and tons of companies recruited there through a formal process and most kids left with jobs in hand (and this was 2010/2011 when the job market was much worse). I guess this isn’t common in other academic areas then? If the ivies are so great you would think they would have this figured out.

NP w/ MBA. BBAs follow the MBA model. For big corporations, Wall Street, and consulting firms, an MBA is a pretty well-understood product and there is usually a predictable way to slot new grads in, if not a formal training program. Regular campus recruiting is expected and happens the fall before spring graduation. These companies also hire a lot from the summer intern pool. BBA hiring follows this model.

For Liberal Arts grads, who are a non-standardized recruit, things are a lot looser. Companies may or may not come each year, they may only be interviewing specific majors, etc.

I am not personally familiar with engineering recruiting but I think it is in-between Business and Liberal Arts. A lot of campus presence for top employers, others come and go based on workforce needs.

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My guess is she could find a job, just not one that fits her perfect idea of a job.

Need more context. Also it sounds like your daughter is searching for her niche.

She should go for something connected/related and back into her ideal role.

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This is how the third major helped!

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Recent grads may simply have to shovel shiat for the time being by either moving to a new locale or getting a service gig. Graduated from college in Michigan when the state was in a one state recession in the early 2000s. I had to make do and persevere.

[Anonymous]

Reach out to alums and ask for referrals for any roles that could be a fit. Ask the school if you can still use on campus recruiting for full time positions that start in December and summer ‘25

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Anonymous wrote:Why is America obsessed with graduating from a "brand" name college?

Because for a recent grad, it helps you pass through initial screening, for jobs, grad schools, social situations etc.

I don’t think T-10 is that important - my kid went to UMD (ranked about 50) over a T10 (northwestern), most companies recruit from both schools. A few companies don’t (McKinsey, Bain, etc.). Interned at a B4 (got the job through on campus recruiting), received a return offer, starts in September. On campus recruiting for internships/jobs is important and most schools have many major employers attending.

ditto ( CS major)

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Because for a recent grad, it helps you pass through initial screening, for jobs, grad schools, social situations etc.

I don’t think T-10 is that important - my kid went to UMD (ranked about 50) over a T10 (northwestern), most companies recruit from both schools. A few companies don’t (McKinsey, Bain, etc.). Interned at a B4 (got the job through on campus recruiting), received a return offer, starts in September. On campus recruiting for internships/jobs is important and most schools have many major employers attending.

ditto ( CS major)

My DS recently graduated from an Ivy with a CS degree and is still looking for a job. My brother worked for Intel and he got layoff. My sister worked for Dell and she also got layoff. The job market is terrible right now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Because for a recent grad, it helps you pass through initial screening, for jobs, grad schools, social situations etc.

I don’t think T-10 is that important - my kid went to UMD (ranked about 50) over a T10 (northwestern), most companies recruit from both schools. A few companies don’t (McKinsey, Bain, etc.). Interned at a B4 (got the job through on campus recruiting), received a return offer, starts in September. On campus recruiting for internships/jobs is important and most schools have many major employers attending.

ditto ( CS major)

My DS recently graduated from an Ivy with a CS degree and is still looking for a job. My brother worked for Intel and he got layoff. My sister worked for Dell and she also got layoff. The job market is terrible right now.

Good luck to your child. My son isn’t CS but so many of his friends are in their second year of college for CS. Hopefully things turn around for everyone soon.

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Just weighing in here. My DD is at a fairly highly ranked business school undergrad, going into senior year. She struggled quite a bit freshman year, did better sophomore year, then failed an important class fall of junior year. She has really gotten her act together after that (she has severe ADHD--works hard, but could never find the secret sauce for certain types of classes, until now). But because of that, was never able to get a solid internship. She has some finance work she has done that can go on her resume, but other than that, really needs to focus on grades this semester. This job search thing is really stressing her out. I told her to just focus on the moment she's in now. Make the most of the last year she has at this incredible university now that she has really figured out how to "learn," and for the first time in her life is actually enjoying being in the classroom. For this reason, job hunting will take a back seat. It's probably horrible advice, but I just don't see how she'll get a job with a less than mediocre transcript and a need to really focus on her grades, which she struggles with.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Because for a recent grad, it helps you pass through initial screening, for jobs, grad schools, social situations etc.

I don’t think T-10 is that important - my kid went to UMD (ranked about 50) over a T10 (northwestern), most companies recruit from both schools. A few companies don’t (McKinsey, Bain, etc.). Interned at a B4 (got the job through on campus recruiting), received a return offer, starts in September. On campus recruiting for internships/jobs is important and most schools have many major employers attending.

ditto ( CS major)

My DS recently graduated from an Ivy with a CS degree and is still looking for a job. My brother worked for Intel and he got layoff. My sister worked for Dell and she also got layoff. The job market is terrible right now.

The free Covid money dried up. This was pretty predictable. When an industry severely over hires there is typically a significant correction.