jobs are very hard to find for recent grads.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the notion of graduating and then looking for a job. Are these kids really just applying to random jobs with no specific plan??

I spent all four years of undergrad networking, interning, volunteering and strategizing so I'd have a job post-graduation. I knew I couldn't live at home again (mentally unstable parents) so I got off my tush and worked it. I did something to build my career options every summer and every semester of college. I had plans A, B, C and D, with sub options in the wings. My resume was highly tuned and demonstrated specialization in several highly desirable skills and I had recommendations from several folks who were well respected in their industries. I received several job offers by January of senior year. Waiting until graduation or close to graduation to find a job is stupid IMO.

Same! After several internships, I had my job lined up early in my senior year. I felt pressure to leave school with a job. My parents sacrificed for my education, and there was no way I was going to ask them for more financial support after paying for four years of an expensive private education. I have no empathy for the kids who start looking for employment after graduation. It screems of codependency.

A lot of these upper middle class kids never have had any type of job. The same parents who pay $60k a year for school are the type who don't make their kids work in high school or college because they don't need the money. Working in high school and/or college is not just about the money but also about learning people skills and how to get along in the professional world. A lot of this is on the parents.

+1 Some Bethesda neighbors looked quizzical that our kids were working in the summer at minimum wage jobs instead of flying off somewhere to pay to do charity work. Our kid accepted a six figure job offer before graduating. Many of these kids who have never earned a buck on their own end up coming back home for a year while applying to graduate programs.

Definitely. I hire interns for my department and I don't want to talk with anyone who hasn't had basic work experience. Volunteering isn't enough. I want to know you've experienced showing up when expected even if you aren't really feeling it that day and dealing with customers/public (be that retail, food service, campers, etc.). I don't want to be anyone's first employer. And then for an entry-level job I would expect to see at least one internship + practical academic experience like projects related to our work.

Both my kids have had paying jobs since they were 16. Both are in college and had great summer jobs in their fields.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

We also are hiring STEM, want 3.0 GPA, US citizenship, work in the building daily.

Several promising candidates say they will only work fully remote - and their resume address is 20-25 minutes away (so it is not someone applying from Kansas).

Aha! This unwillingness to go into the office is underreported and must be a major factor. My son got a great job well before he graduated but he had to move to another city and go into the office 5x daily. He loves it because this is a big employer with 200 new hires right out of college.

+1 Take the in-office job, especially the in-office internship. Much better for making a good first impression and learning office etiquette, business social skills, etc. My son, just started senior year, had a 100% in-office internship this summer at a firm with a big intern program. Had a great experience and they are keeping him on the books part time during the school year (10ish hrs per week) with an expectation that it will convert to a regular full time job after graduation. He's not 100% sure that's the job he wants but so great to have it in hand while he also explores other options. And the security clearance he got for the internship is a big asset.

Same for my DS who is a senior, but only second year in college (thanks to a ton of credits). Had an internship during the summer, with an option to wfh, but he chose to go into the office even though a lot of them were wfh (they are a small shop). DS not only did great work, but had great work ethic. They offered him to stay on PT during school, working remotely.

DS also worked while in HS and throughout the summers.

My 16 yr old DC just got an after school job today. Job is customer facing, and we talked about how they will have to learn to be polite and have a smile on their face even when they are having a bad day and the customer is being difficult. DC will have to learn to manage their emotions and anger. Great skills to have.

Proud of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

We also are hiring STEM, want 3.0 GPA, US citizenship, work in the building daily.

Several promising candidates say they will only work fully remote - and their resume address is 20-25 minutes away (so it is not someone applying from Kansas).

Aha! This unwillingness to go into the office is underreported and must be a major factor. My son got a great job well before he graduated but he had to move to another city and go into the office 5x daily. He loves it because this is a big employer with 200 new hires right out of college.

+1 Take the in-office job, especially the in-office internship. Much better for making a good first impression and learning office etiquette, business social skills, etc. My son, just started senior year, had a 100% in-office internship this summer at a firm with a big intern program. Had a great experience and they are keeping him on the books part time during the school year (10ish hrs per week) with an expectation that it will convert to a regular full time job after graduation. He's not 100% sure that's the job he wants but so great to have it in hand while he also explores other options. And the security clearance he got for the internship is a big asset.

Same for my DS who is a senior, but only second year in college (thanks to a ton of credits). Had an internship during the summer, with an option to wfh, but he chose to go into the office even though a lot of them were wfh (they are a small shop). DS not only did great work, but had great work ethic. They offered him to stay on PT during school, working remotely.

DS also worked while in HS and throughout the summers.

My 16 yr old DC just got an after school job today. Job is customer facing, and we talked about how they will have to learn to be polite and have a smile on their face even when they are having a bad day and the customer is being difficult. DC will have to learn to manage their emotions and anger. Great skills to have.

Proud of them.

I don't know any kids who have turned down in-person jobs. All are happy to go to the office everyday, to relocate to wherever the job is. The market is tough. They aren't picky.

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Because for a recent grad, it helps you pass through initial screening, for jobs, grad schools, social situations etc.

I don’t think T-10 is that important - my kid went to UMD (ranked about 50) over a T10 (northwestern), most companies recruit from both schools. A few companies don’t (McKinsey, Bain, etc.). Interned at a B4 (got the job through on campus recruiting), received a return offer, starts in September. On campus recruiting for internships/jobs is important and most schools have many major employers attending.

ditto ( CS major)

My DS recently graduated from an Ivy with a CS degree and is still looking for a job. My brother worked for Intel and he got layoff. My sister worked for Dell and she also got layoff. The job market is terrible right now.

Federal labs and places like DISA at Ft Meade locally definitely are hiring CS people. One needs to be a US Citizen and not a dual-national and cannot have extensive foreign ties. BSCS with 3.0 GPA gets a GS-7 to start usually. If DS cannot get a job at one of these, then something must be wring with the resume or the approach to hiring.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno. Im hiring stem grads and cant find many qualified. 3.5 and up GPA, good class experience and willing to work in person every day. And this is for $80k and up.

We also are hiring STEM, want 3.0 GPA, US citizenship, work in the building daily.

Several promising candidates say they will only work fully remote - and their resume address is 20-25 minutes away (so it is not someone applying from Kansas).

Aha! This unwillingness to go into the office is underreported and must be a major factor. My son got a great job well before he graduated but he had to move to another city and go into the office 5x daily. He loves it because this is a big employer with 200 new hires right out of college.

+1 Take the in-office job, especially the in-office internship. Much better for making a good first impression and learning office etiquette, business social skills, etc. My son, just started senior year, had a 100% in-office internship this summer at a firm with a big intern program. Had a great experience and they are keeping him on the books part time during the school year (10ish hrs per week) with an expectation that it will convert to a regular full time job after graduation. He's not 100% sure that's the job he wants but so great to have it in hand while he also explores other options. And the security clearance he got for the internship is a big asset.

Same for my DS who is a senior, but only second year in college (thanks to a ton of credits). Had an internship during the summer, with an option to wfh, but he chose to go into the office even though a lot of them were wfh (they are a small shop). DS not only did great work, but had great work ethic. They offered him to stay on PT during school, working remotely.

DS also worked while in HS and throughout the summers.

My 16 yr old DC just got an after school job today. Job is customer facing, and we talked about how they will have to learn to be polite and have a smile on their face even when they are having a bad day and the customer is being difficult. DC will have to learn to manage their emotions and anger. Great skills to have.

Proud of them.

I don't know any kids who have turned down in-person jobs. All are happy to go to the office everyday, to relocate to wherever the job is. The market is tough. They aren't picky.

Maybe it's their work ethic, or lack there of?

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