UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

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Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

My very high stats student from MD was WL - so don't be so sure OOS has lower standards.

UVA has lower standards for the in state kids. They have to meet the quota - across the state where academics are not that strong. There are also counties - Winchester and beyond that aren't exactly educational stand outs. Private school kids in the DMV have tuitions exceeding UVa costs - parents are banking on that get. Supply/demand - unless you are from a random Va
county you face horrible odds of acceptance. UVa isn't interested in high achieving OOS kids - until that quota is filled with Va kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

Earlier someone said UVA had the highest OOS tuition among publics.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

Earlier someone said UVA had the highest OOS tuition among publics.

OOS tuition and fees are basically the same at both.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

My very high stats student from MD was WL - so don't be so sure OOS has lower standards.

UVA has lower standards for the in state kids. They have to meet the quota - across the state where academics are not that strong. There are also counties - Winchester and beyond that aren't exactly educational stand outs. Private school kids in the DMV have tuitions exceeding UVa costs - parents are banking on that get. Supply/demand - unless you are from a random Va
county you face horrible odds of acceptance. UVa isn't interested in high achieving OOS kids - until that quota is filled with Va kids.

No, they don’t. And VA has so many great high schools and educated parents that lots of high achieving kids with the same stats as OOS kids still aren’t in the top 5% of their class.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

I guess the concept of state schools is lost on you.

There are a multitude of fine public institutions in Virginia. OP is whining that her kid may not get into the state flagship. But realistically, being from NOVA significantly drops his odds because of the geographic competition, and the Commonwealth has made the decision to fund the school at a level that requires more out of state tuitions. Plus, the school probably feels that more non-Va. students add something to the school beyond just tuition dollars. That a kid with identical stats form NJ, or Iowa, or Arizona, or California adds something to the school that another NOVA kid doesn't. Apparently, they think it's an acceptable tradeoff.

This is so yesterday’s thinking.

50 years ago, Virginia didn’t have that many well qualified kids. It WAS a good idea to get many bright out-of-state kids (and also to help financing).

Now as we all know, Virginia became a wealthy state. Northern Virgnia produces many highly qualified students. We can afford paying more tax and/or increase in-state tuition.

But the 1/3 soft quota for OOS has never changed and people do not even want to discuss this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NC and FL limit the OOS (Out-of-State) admits to 10% to 15%. VA allows up to 33% of the OOS admits.

This is why I challenged the notion that "Virginians are so lucky to have so many good public options" the other day.

Virginia used to be less developed, and most of its good jobs were government-related. Just like AL and SC now, Virginia wanted to attract well-qualified OOS applicants, particularly from the Northeast.

Now, Virginia is well-developed, and Virginia kids are very well qualified. There are many well-paying IT positions in Northern Virginia.

However, the VA government still doesn't limit the OOS admits. This has resulted in very difficult competition among Northern Virginia kids to get into UVA and VT engineering.

I know the OOS admits help finance in-state public schools, but Virginia is not poor anymore. We can raise more taxes to fund the in-state public colleges if that means better educational opportunities for VIRGINIAN kids.

Something has to change.

But as long as the "Virginians are so lucky to have so many good public options" mantra prevails, I don't expect any changes.

Hey, if your straight-A kid doesn't get into UVA, W&M or VT engineering, there's always JMU or GMU engineering.

GMU engineering is very good. Weird you're using it as like a 3rd rate choice.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

I guess the concept of state schools is lost on you.

There are a multitude of fine public institutions in Virginia. OP is whining that her kid may not get into the state flagship. But realistically, being from NOVA significantly drops his odds because of the geographic competition, and the Commonwealth has made the decision to fund the school at a level that requires more out of state tuitions. Plus, the school probably feels that more non-Va. students add something to the school beyond just tuition dollars. That a kid with identical stats form NJ, or Iowa, or Arizona, or California adds something to the school that another NOVA kid doesn't. Apparently, they think it's an acceptable tradeoff.

This is so yesterday’s thinking.

50 years ago, Virginia didn’t have that many well qualified kids. It WAS a good idea to get many bright out-of-state kids (and also to help financing).

Now as we all know, Virginia became a wealthy state. Northern Virgnia produces many highly qualified students. We can afford paying more tax and/or increase in-state tuition.

But the 1/3 soft quota for OOS has never changed and people do not even want to discuss this.

In-state tuition at UVA and W&M are already among the highest in the country. No thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in VA and am so aggravated by the # of kids I see applying and not getting into UVA who are seriously bright, solid A students. It's ridiculous.
It makes me think my high schooler won't get in when he applies in a couple of years. High A student, athlete, has great SAT scores, but white male and from a middle class background/private school.

I LOVE how UNC Chapel Hill is required by STATE LAW to keep in-state at high numbers:
"As of June 14, 2024, 82% of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) are in-state residents. State law requires that at least 82% of each freshman class be from North Carolina, and the state government limits the number of non-residents to 18%."

As opposed to Virginia "In fall 2023, 65.5% of first-time freshmen at the University of Virginia (UVA) were in-state students. UVA aims to have a majority of Virginians in its student body, but doesn't have quotas for specific regions or high schools. UVA's offer rate for Virginia residents is usually higher than the rate for out-of-state students."

Why doesn't VA have this law!

UVA was built for white males. Literally.

If he doesn't get in, tough. It's competitive out there.

[Anonymous]

Virginia doesn't fund colleges the way other states do. That's why colleges have to have a signification OOS population. They pay the bills.

Your tax dollars are going to colleges, just not at the rate in other states.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I don't have a dog in this fight. We live in DC. My kid was accepted to UVA but declined. I guess this is a sin to some here!

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

I guess the concept of state schools is lost on you.

There are a multitude of fine public institutions in Virginia. OP is whining that her kid may not get into the state flagship. But realistically, being from NOVA significantly drops his odds because of the geographic competition, and the Commonwealth has made the decision to fund the school at a level that requires more out of state tuitions. Plus, the school probably feels that more non-Va. students add something to the school beyond just tuition dollars. That a kid with identical stats form NJ, or Iowa, or Arizona, or California adds something to the school that another NOVA kid doesn't. Apparently, they think it's an acceptable tradeoff.

This is so yesterday’s thinking.

50 years ago, Virginia didn’t have that many well qualified kids. It WAS a good idea to get many bright out-of-state kids (and also to help financing).

Now as we all know, Virginia became a wealthy state. Northern Virgnia produces many highly qualified students. We can afford paying more tax and/or increase in-state tuition.

But the 1/3 soft quota for OOS has never changed and people do not even want to discuss this.

The in-state poplulation has far outgrown the number of seats that UVA currently provides. Since UVA obviously refuses to become larger, the only way to remedy the unbalance is to decrease OOS matriculants. Will UVA do it?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I don't have a dog in this fight. We live in DC. My kid was accepted to UVA but declined. I guess this is a sin to some here!

Posted just to get that in, huh?

[Anonymous]

I find this conversation strange given I can't think of another state outside of CA where you have so many good state school choices - from WM to VT and beyond. What other state has all that? I get it takes high stats but so do a lot of state flagships.

The probably with the low # of OOS at UNC-CH is there is a pretty big disconnect between the quality of in-state students vs OOS. More balanced at UVA.

And yes I am a proud VA taxpayer - a low tax state btw, - who also has kids that may very well not get in (although btw if you are waitlisted you are a guaranteed transfer after first year).