UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

GPA and RIGOR
Class of 23 NOVA public. 3.95/4.5, 1560, 9 APs waitlisted. "Maxed out" on all subjects except English. Honors classes. Refused AP.

The fact is that those stats are not really extraordinary these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

GPA and RIGOR
Class of 23 NOVA public. 3.95/4.5, 1560, 9 APs waitlisted. "Maxed out" on all subjects except English. Honors classes. Refused AP.

The fact is that those stats are not really extraordinary these days.

Thanks for your input.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

GPA and RIGOR
Class of 23 NOVA public. 3.95/4.5, 1560, 9 APs waitlisted. "Maxed out" on all subjects except English. Honors classes. Refused AP.

The fact is that those stats are not really extraordinary these days.

Thanks for your input.

The test score is fantastic, but so many kids take more than 9 APs these days, and straight As are easier than ever to achieve.

[Anonymous]

Wasn't trying to make it a competition. Just trying to demonstrate to others what compromised a non acceptance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA admits are puzzling.

In what way? Top 5% of DC's high-performing NoVa public school were accepted. Seems pretty straightforward.

[Anonymous]

If the model shifts to what NC does and there are 15-17% more admits from VA then expect tuition to go up accordingly.

Just be aware of what you are asking for and what will happen if you succeed.

As others have said, VA offers a number of colleges and universities to meet the needs of Virginia residents. So think long and hard about why you want to accomplish and what the outcome will look like if you succeed.

Students with multiple offers to UVA, VT an W&M may make decisions driven by cost, especially if the cost of UVA rises substantially for in state admits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the model shifts to what NC does and there are 15-17% more admits from VA then expect tuition to go up accordingly.

Just be aware of what you are asking for and what will happen if you succeed.

As others have said, VA offers a number of colleges and universities to meet the needs of Virginia residents. So think long and hard about why you want to accomplish and what the outcome will look like if you succeed.

Students with multiple offers to UVA, VT an W&M may make decisions driven by cost, especially if the cost of UVA rises substantially for in state admits.

Also, expect the allure to go down accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the model shifts to what NC does and there are 15-17% more admits from VA then expect tuition to go up accordingly.

Just be aware of what you are asking for and what will happen if you succeed.

As others have said, VA offers a number of colleges and universities to meet the needs of Virginia residents. So think long and hard about why you want to accomplish and what the outcome will look like if you succeed.

Students with multiple offers to UVA, VT an W&M may make decisions driven by cost, especially if the cost of UVA rises substantially for in state admits.

+1. Be prepared to pay more in taxes or tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

[Anonymous]

Virginia residents are not entitled to UVa regardless of a kid’s stats. You are entitled to pay in-state tuition at one of many public institutions, so get excited about JMU, CNU, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

GPA and RIGOR
Class of 23 NOVA public. 3.95/4.5, 1560, 9 APs waitlisted. "Maxed out" on all subjects except English. Honors classes. Refused AP.

Yes, it is GPA /rank compared to the high school, plus rigor. Some schools you need to be top 10% with appropriate rigor, other schools Top25% with appropriate rigor have a great shot. A kid who refuses whatever top rigor is at their school(AP or IB )loses out on UVA, and may lose out on WMary too. It is what it is. The high schools do not hide who gets in: anyone can ask the guidance counselor for information as early as end of 9th grade to see if UVA is possible.
UNC-CH rarely takes below the top10% from the publics in the most competitive areas of NC (Raleigh, Charlotte). UVA is the same: only the TJs and Maggie Walkers and top 1-2 privates in each region get kids into UVA deep into the class.
VT and JMU and CNU and other schools in VA are the ones that take, incrementally, lower tiers of students from each HS. Just like NCState and Appalachian and UNCCharlotte in NC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

I guess the concept of state schools is lost on you.

[Anonymous]

Your state flagship is way too small. That’s the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

I guess the concept of state schools is lost on you.

There are a multitude of fine public institutions in Virginia. OP is whining that her kid may not get into the state flagship. But realistically, being from NOVA significantly drops his odds because of the geographic competition, and the Commonwealth has made the decision to fund the school at a level that requires more out of state tuitions. Plus, the school probably feels that more non-Va. students add something to the school beyond just tuition dollars. That a kid with identical stats form NJ, or Iowa, or Arizona, or California adds something to the school that another NOVA kid doesn't. Apparently, they think it's an acceptable tradeoff.