UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

Any college ranked in the top 100 in the country out of 3,000 colleges is excellent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

My VT colleagues would say that VT is the real Flagship. My W&M colleagues would point out that they are the real flagship - after all, many founding fathers went there.

Just saying it sadly does not make it so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

My VT colleagues would say that VT is the real Flagship. My W&M colleagues would point out that they are the real flagship - after all, many founding fathers went there.

Just saying it sadly does not make it so.

Well, W&M has an alumnus that went on to found a truly great school. William Barton Rogers was the founder of MIT. Other alumni evidently went on to found other institutions that are not nearly so notable.

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Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

This is not a problem. No matter what people wish, it's not going to grow a lot. It simply doesn't have the space. As the state grows from NOVA to Tidewater it will continue to provide high paying jobs from all fields bringing people back to the state. Schools like JMU/GMU/CNU will continue to rise with bright students, this is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

This is not a problem. No matter what people wish, it's not going to grow a lot. It simply doesn't have the space. As the state grows from NOVA to Tidewater it will continue to provide high paying jobs from all fields bringing people back to the state. Schools like JMU/GMU/CNU will continue to rise with bright students, this is a good thing.

It has the space. There are many schools with much higher density.

However, I don't think significant expansion makes sense as it would fundamentally change the nature of the school and greatly impact Charlottesville. UVA growth is in line or greater than comparable schools in other states. UT Austin had 48K students in 1980 and 51K today. If UT had grown at the same rate as the state, it would have 110K+ students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

What would make UVA better than VT in engineering fields, VCU in art, W&M in Arts & Sciences, etc.?

Your right. My opinion is completely ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

What would make UVA better than VT in engineering fields, VCU in art, W&M in Arts & Sciences, etc.?

Your right. My opinion is completely ridiculous.

You're

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Yup.

VT can definitely take more in-state kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

What would make UVA better than VT in engineering fields, VCU in art, W&M in Arts & Sciences, etc.?

Your right. My opinion is completely ridiculous.

I didn't say your opinion is ridiculous. I just asked for clarification on why you hold that opinion. There is a difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Yup.

VT can definitely take more in-state kids.

Yup.

You can definitely pay more taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, actually, we do. Saw this in the other thread about the complaints about insufficient in-state slots for Virginians.



1. The groans and lamentations are higher here because of the higher income, higher educated population here, many of whom were higher achieving folks from other states who went to a prestigious private or the public flagship back home.

2. However, states are different. Is the model of having one superlarge flagship (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) and a few directionals better? Or the California model, where Cal was originally the model flagship but time and USNWR has sent UCLA, UCSB and UCSD up into the rankings)? Or the most common model of having 2 strong schools and directionals for everyone else (Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Indiana, etc.)?

We faced that choice moving here from outside the DMV when looking at Maryland vs Virginia. Yes, on the whole, UMCP is the functional equivalent of the combined UVA/VT/W&M, when considered overall, it's a solid B+ across the board. But each individual Virginia institution in the UVA/VT/W&M troika has its own very strong pros that more than offset the cons of each school. Plus we did not want a "UMCP or bust" situation (with "bust" being UMBC, Towson, Salisbury, etc.). Virginia is lucky that JMU/VCU/GMU exist, and we don't have to immediately settle for Radford.

3. Reputation and market changed. 40 years ago, UVA/VT/W&M took more NOVA applicants. This can be seen in the number of NOVA students in the UVA entering class falling from 50% to 30% in the last 3-4 years, for example. But back then UVA/VT/W&M were more regional, although they were still known outside the East Coast. Now those brands are stronger outside the region, and it is harder for NOVA applicants to get in. Yet with the NOVA students increasingly looking for broader opportunities outside the region, and the number of spaces at UVA/VT/W&M not growing to meet that demand, NOVA families have to look outside Virginia for that T100 brand. Either that, or accept that JMU/GMU/VCU will provide a good education if not supplying the requisite branding for competing outside the region.

4. Thus, we as NOVA parents want the UVA/VT/W&M of our youth, where everyone from NOVA was more likely to get in. But the old days weren't as good as we remember, and the world changed. Now are faced either with taking our chances with an increasingly more difficult admissions system for UVA/VT/W&M, saving up for T100 elsewhere, including flagships in other states, or accepting JMU/GMU/VCU as good alternatives (and they are). That doesn't make it fair, and it doesn't make it easy for donut hole families who can't come up with the extra money to send the DCs out of the area. But this is not going to change, so we need to adapt. Plus I would rather have the choices in Virginia when compared with other states.


+1000

This. Case closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

Aw. You’re being too hard on UVA and VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Because the OOS yield is low! To hit the goal of about 1/3 OOS, they accept a lot but it's expensive OOS and a lot of those students choose other places.