UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Because the OOS yield is low! To hit the goal of about 1/3 OOS, they accept a lot but it's expensive OOS and a lot of those students choose other places.

+100 Acceptance rates are useless. Folks new to the process need to read “Who Gets In and Why”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Because the OOS yield is low! To hit the goal of about 1/3 OOS, they accept a lot but it's expensive OOS and a lot of those students choose other places.

+100 Acceptance rates are useless. Folks new to the process need to read “Who Gets In and Why”

By contrast, UVA's OOS acceptance rate is ridiculously low at ~12%

[Anonymous]

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5 Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think this is interesting, so I looked it up, and VA had roughly 94,000 students graduate from public school in 2023. I couldn't find (quickly anyway) good numbers on private and home schooled kids, but I did find an article that said 15.7% of VA HS students go to private school and around 53,500 are homeschooled. So, if you assume the homeschooled & private kids are evenly distributed by grade, there are roughly 115,000 graduating seniors in VA. If that 8k number for in-state is correct (I haven't checked it), then UVA, W&M & VT can accommodate about the top 7% of VA students. I found numbers on here (again, unverified) that said UVA's yield was 42%, W&M was 28% and VT was 27%. That may be for both in and OOS, but if you use a pretty conservative 50% average yield in state, that means that these schools can offer admission to 14% of graduates. Of course, some students apply and be admitted to two or more of these schools, so the actual total of individual students (vs. numbers of admissions) will be lower. I suspect that number of dual or triple admits is out there, so feel free to find more accurate numbers and make better calculations (because I don't care enough to spend more time on this). Anyway, it's interesting, because if you take a school, like UT Austin, that limits the number of OOS students to 10%, the "auto admit" cut off for in state students is top 6% gpa. They take in state applicants that are outside the top 6% in gpa in addition to that, but that is even more competitive with regard to test scores, etc. It would be interesting to know what the numbers are for UNC (and again, I don't care enough to go look).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech's acceptance rate for out-of-state applicants is 76 percent (apparently). Indefensible admissions policy!

Because the OOS yield is low! To hit the goal of about 1/3 OOS, they accept a lot but it's expensive OOS and a lot of those students choose other places.

+100 Acceptance rates are useless. Folks new to the process need to read “Who Gets In and Why”

By contrast, UVA's OOS acceptance rate is ridiculously low at ~12%

End result is the same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

5 Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think this is interesting, so I looked it up, and VA had roughly 94,000 students graduate from public school in 2023. I couldn't find (quickly anyway) good numbers on private and home schooled kids, but I did find an article that said 15.7% of VA HS students go to private school and around 53,500 are homeschooled. So, if you assume the homeschooled & private kids are evenly distributed by grade, there are roughly 115,000 graduating seniors in VA. If that 8k number for in-state is correct (I haven't checked it), then UVA, W&M & VT can accommodate about the top 7% of VA students. I found numbers on here (again, unverified) that said UVA's yield was 42%, W&M was 28% and VT was 27%. That may be for both in and OOS, but if you use a pretty conservative 50% average yield in state, that means that these schools can offer admission to 14% of graduates. Of course, some students apply and be admitted to two or more of these schools, so the actual total of individual students (vs. numbers of admissions) will be lower. I suspect that number of dual or triple admits is out there, so feel free to find more accurate numbers and make better calculations (because I don't care enough to spend more time on this). Anyway, it's interesting, because if you take a school, like UT Austin, that limits the number of OOS students to 10%, the "auto admit" cut off for in state students is top 6% gpa. They take in state applicants that are outside the top 6% in gpa in addition to that, but that is even more competitive with regard to test scores, etc. It would be interesting to know what the numbers are for UNC (and again, I don't care enough to go look).

That would be impossible here. Something like 40% of the kids at our school have a UW 4.0 these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

5 Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think this is interesting, so I looked it up, and VA had roughly 94,000 students graduate from public school in 2023. I couldn't find (quickly anyway) good numbers on private and home schooled kids, but I did find an article that said 15.7% of VA HS students go to private school and around 53,500 are homeschooled. So, if you assume the homeschooled & private kids are evenly distributed by grade, there are roughly 115,000 graduating seniors in VA. If that 8k number for in-state is correct (I haven't checked it), then UVA, W&M & VT can accommodate about the top 7% of VA students. I found numbers on here (again, unverified) that said UVA's yield was 42%, W&M was 28% and VT was 27%. That may be for both in and OOS, but if you use a pretty conservative 50% average yield in state, that means that these schools can offer admission to 14% of graduates. Of course, some students apply and be admitted to two or more of these schools, so the actual total of individual students (vs. numbers of admissions) will be lower. I suspect that number of dual or triple admits is out there, so feel free to find more accurate numbers and make better calculations (because I don't care enough to spend more time on this). Anyway, it's interesting, because if you take a school, like UT Austin, that limits the number of OOS students to 10%, the "auto admit" cut off for in state students is top 6% gpa. They take in state applicants that are outside the top 6% in gpa in addition to that, but that is even more competitive with regard to test scores, etc. It would be interesting to know what the numbers are for UNC (and again, I don't care enough to go look).

Most people don’t go to college.

In Virginia, 40% of the population went to college. That’s higher than the national average.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

5 Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think this is interesting, so I looked it up, and VA had roughly 94,000 students graduate from public school in 2023. I couldn't find (quickly anyway) good numbers on private and home schooled kids, but I did find an article that said 15.7% of VA HS students go to private school and around 53,500 are homeschooled. So, if you assume the homeschooled & private kids are evenly distributed by grade, there are roughly 115,000 graduating seniors in VA. If that 8k number for in-state is correct (I haven't checked it), then UVA, W&M & VT can accommodate about the top 7% of VA students. I found numbers on here (again, unverified) that said UVA's yield was 42%, W&M was 28% and VT was 27%. That may be for both in and OOS, but if you use a pretty conservative 50% average yield in state, that means that these schools can offer admission to 14% of graduates. Of course, some students apply and be admitted to two or more of these schools, so the actual total of individual students (vs. numbers of admissions) will be lower. I suspect that number of dual or triple admits is out there, so feel free to find more accurate numbers and make better calculations (because I don't care enough to spend more time on this). Anyway, it's interesting, because if you take a school, like UT Austin, that limits the number of OOS students to 10%, the "auto admit" cut off for in state students is top 6% gpa. They take in state applicants that are outside the top 6% in gpa in addition to that, but that is even more competitive with regard to test scores, etc. It would be interesting to know what the numbers are for UNC (and again, I don't care enough to go look).

Most people don’t go to college.

In Virginia, 40% of the population went to college. That’s higher than the national average.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment

The question was whether UVA/W&M/VT had the space to admit the top x% of the HS graduates in VA. Class rank is based on total HS graduates, not just those attending college. If you want to compare the number of seats available per college bound senior, feel free. The data is available here:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/statistics-reports/graduation-completion-dropout-postsecondary-data/high-school-graduates-completers/high-school-graduates-completers-archive-data

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

5 Anonymous wrote:Between UVA, W&M and VT Virginia has plenty of seats available for in-state schools at top-ranked public schools. Add in JMU and VCU along with others and there are a lot of solid options. People need to quit whining!

Indeed, last year’s freshmen classes of those first three had over 8,000 in-state kids in total.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think this is interesting, so I looked it up, and VA had roughly 94,000 students graduate from public school in 2023. I couldn't find (quickly anyway) good numbers on private and home schooled kids, but I did find an article that said 15.7% of VA HS students go to private school and around 53,500 are homeschooled. So, if you assume the homeschooled & private kids are evenly distributed by grade, there are roughly 115,000 graduating seniors in VA. If that 8k number for in-state is correct (I haven't checked it), then UVA, W&M & VT can accommodate about the top 7% of VA students. I found numbers on here (again, unverified) that said UVA's yield was 42%, W&M was 28% and VT was 27%. That may be for both in and OOS, but if you use a pretty conservative 50% average yield in state, that means that these schools can offer admission to 14% of graduates. Of course, some students apply and be admitted to two or more of these schools, so the actual total of individual students (vs. numbers of admissions) will be lower. I suspect that number of dual or triple admits is out there, so feel free to find more accurate numbers and make better calculations (because I don't care enough to spend more time on this). Anyway, it's interesting, because if you take a school, like UT Austin, that limits the number of OOS students to 10%, the "auto admit" cut off for in state students is top 6% gpa. They take in state applicants that are outside the top 6% in gpa in addition to that, but that is even more competitive with regard to test scores, etc. It would be interesting to know what the numbers are for UNC (and again, I don't care enough to go look).

But Virginia has 41 public institutions of higher learning (including community colleges, which shouldn't be discounted because of VA's xlnt guaranteed transfer program). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Virginia