STEM flagships

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

The person above was correct that the premise is incorrect and there is really no such thing as 1) Flagship, 2) STEM flagship, or I'd add 3) a school necessarily being "better" in all of these areas. Nonetheless, most people would consider Indiana University to be the "flagship" of Indiana, not Purdue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

The person above was correct that the premise is incorrect and there is really no such thing as 1) Flagship, 2) STEM flagship, or I'd add 3) a school necessarily being "better" in all of these areas. Nonetheless, most people would consider Indiana University to be the "flagship" of Indiana, not Purdue.

There's no such thing as flagship, but IU is Indiana's flagship. Gotcha. Newsflash...all of you readers out there are so stupid for thinking UVA is Virginia's flagship. You're imagining things. There is no such thing as a flagship. Just ask the PP who knows all of the flagships even though there is no such thing as a flagship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was a top of the class HS graduate. VA instate and CS major (yes, STEM is more than CS). DC accepted at UVA and VT. Wouldn’t even visit UVA or VT. Ended up at an OOS public. Ultimately it was cheaper than UVA or VT too.

What are some of the OOS publics that are cheaper than UVA/VT for VA residents? I would love to know, very curious.

NP, 2023 with merit, COA for CS (or engineering) at:
UMN: $29,000
Ohio St.: $44,000
UMD: $46,000
VT is obviously cheap than last two. UVA engineering is comparable. I believe GT and Purdue are very reasonable. Not sure about merit.

[Anonymous]

UMD often gives some merit to entice VA residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Add Wisconsin to the list.

Wisconsin and ?
This thread is about a state university that is NOT the flagship being stronger in STEM than the flagship school.

So if Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin at Madison) is the flagship, which Wisconsin school is stronger in STEM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

Purdue isn't even generally considered the state flagship. That is IU. I also don't agree UMD is recognized across the country in that way.

[Anonymous]

The term flagship is being overused these days. People are trying to use it to build an unbridgeable moat around their favored school in an effort to reduce competition. That isn't good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

Purdue isn't even generally considered the state flagship. That is IU. I also don't agree UMD is recognized across the country in that way.

Well, UMD CS is probably on par if not higher ranked than Purdue for CS. Also, I think the latest forbes ranking has raised UMD profile nationally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Wisconsin to the list.

Wisconsin and ?
This thread is about a state university that is NOT the flagship being stronger in STEM than the flagship school.

So if Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin at Madison) is the flagship, which Wisconsin school is stronger in STEM?

? OP asked "Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship".. I took that to mean a state flagship that is known for strong STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

Purdue isn't even generally considered the state flagship. That is IU. I also don't agree UMD is recognized across the country in that way.

Well, UMD CS is probably on par if not higher ranked than Purdue for CS. Also, I think the latest forbes ranking has raised UMD profile nationally.

UMD is top 10 public research institution. Probably higher now since it just got another 300 million contract from the pentagon for cyber security

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

Engineering yes, the others I’m not sure about. I’ve been interviewing kids for CS positions for years, and the UVA grads are almost always better than the VT grads we interview, and often it’s not even close. The UVA grads are much more impressive academically and have better foundational skills. They just seem smarter overall; not surprising given the disparity in entering gpa/scores.

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We have found exactly the opposite to be true among the students we interview.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Wisconsin to the list.

Wisconsin and ?
This thread is about a state university that is NOT the flagship being stronger in STEM than the flagship school.

So if Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin at Madison) is the flagship, which Wisconsin school is stronger in STEM?

? OP asked "Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship".. I took that to mean a state flagship that is known for strong STEM.

I interpreted it different. OP said that while UVA is the flagship for VA, VT is generally known as the strong STEM school. She wanted to know which other states had this--where there was a flagship but a different university was known as the strong STEM school.
That's why people were saying
UGA vs. Georgia Tech
Indiana University vs. Purdue
U of Alabama vs. Auburn
etc.

OP, can you clarify? Were you looking for an answer of just a single school that was a state flagship strong in STEM? Or were you looking for examples of a state school that was not the flagship but was stronger in STEM than the flagship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

Purdue isn't even generally considered the state flagship. That is IU. I also don't agree UMD is recognized across the country in that way.

Well, UMD CS is probably on par if not higher ranked than Purdue for CS. Also, I think the latest forbes ranking has raised UMD profile nationally.

UMD is top 10 public research institution. Probably higher now since it just got another 300 million contract from the pentagon for cyber security

19th and that is by randomly connect two campuses 30 miles apart to get a higher research ranking.

[Anonymous]

Clemson more STEMy than U of South Carolina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC

Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.

But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.

To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.

I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.

Purdue isn't even generally considered the state flagship. That is IU. I also don't agree UMD is recognized across the country in that way.

Well, UMD CS is probably on par if not higher ranked than Purdue for CS. Also, I think the latest forbes ranking has raised UMD profile nationally.

UMD is top 10 public research institution. Probably higher now since it just got another 300 million contract from the pentagon for cyber security

19th and that is by randomly connect two campuses 30 miles apart to get a higher research ranking.

So much misinformation here on DCUM.