Double homicide in Silver Spring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

Since Jan 1 there have been 3 homicides in the 3d police district (downtown silver spring). Including these two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live there. No it is not a war zone.

As long as you’re comfortable with the level of violence then everything is cool, I guess.

I go there all the time. You are absurd stop gas lighting.

I am more concerned in the parking lot of my local Asian grocery store today with the Mormons pushing their religion on customers.

Or my local Giant, when I go in always a bible thumper bothering people.

So what you’re saying then, is in addition to having zero survival or life preservation instinct, you’re also a hateful religious bigot.

That’s my takeaway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

Right?!?!

Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

Since Jan 1 there have been 3 homicides in the 3d police district (downtown silver spring). Including these two.

The PP listed 3 murders in Bethesda since 2011 (and one in Kensington).

The overwhelming majority of homicides in Montgomery County every year occur in only 3 areas: Germantown, Gaithersburg and Silver Spring. In Silver Spring, it is split between two neighborhoods, downtown and White Oak, and the violence and particularly the gun violence in Silver Spring is increasing. In terms of gun crime, it’s now indistinguishable from adjacent communities in PG County.
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/02/gun-violence-map-america-shootings/?place=Silver-Spring-Maryland

It’s not a war zone but also not safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

Since Jan 1 there have been 3 homicides in the 3d police district (downtown silver spring). Including these two.

The PP listed 3 murders in Bethesda since 2011 (and one in Kensington).

The overwhelming majority of homicides in Montgomery County every year occur in only 3 areas: Germantown, Gaithersburg and Silver Spring. In Silver Spring, it is split between two neighborhoods, downtown and White Oak, and the violence and particularly the gun violence in Silver Spring is increasing. In terms of gun crime, it’s now indistinguishable from adjacent communities in PG County.
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/02/gun-violence-map-america-shootings/?place=Silver-Spring-Maryland

It’s not a war zone but also not safe.

It’s economic. Wealthy criminals have more sophisticated schemes and a legal system that protects them so you just don’t hear about it as much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, it's a Silver Spring problem. If you look at Rockville which is similar size population-wise, they dont' have double murders.

Or an innocent man walking to his car in the parking garage after dinner with his family murdered:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/murder-in-downtown-silver-spring-parking-garage-remains-unsolved-one-year-later

Or a shootout on the downtown streets during the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RO7D1-DiA

Bethesda is similar in population. It also has similar levels of urbanization and this stuff isn’t happening.

What is especially weird to me is that all of the way too online TPSS YIMBY urbanism activists also are very much anti-law enforcement and effectively pro-crime. They are getting the downtown SS they want, which is deeply unpleasant.

Bethesda has murders… lululemon, the painter murder, the guy making tunnels, kids have killed their parents,

That’s 15 years of Bethesda murders versus a few months in Silver Spring.

Since Jan 1 there have been 3 homicides in the 3d police district (downtown silver spring). Including these two.

The PP listed 3 murders in Bethesda since 2011 (and one in Kensington).

The overwhelming majority of homicides in Montgomery County every year occur in only 3 areas: Germantown, Gaithersburg and Silver Spring. In Silver Spring, it is split between two neighborhoods, downtown and White Oak, and the violence and particularly the gun violence in Silver Spring is increasing. In terms of gun crime, it’s now indistinguishable from adjacent communities in PG County.
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/02/gun-violence-map-america-shootings/?place=Silver-Spring-Maryland

It’s not a war zone but also not safe.

It’s economic. Wealthy criminals have more sophisticated schemes and a legal system that protects them so you just don’t hear about it as much.

I can still walk the streets in broad daylight with white collar crime and not have to worry about me or my children's physical safety.

[Anonymous]

There are memorial funds for funeral expenses for both of the young men who were killed.

https://mocoshow.com/2024/05/28/community-rallies-to-support-families-of-20-year-old-men-killed-in-double-homicide2/

[Anonymous]

I live in the neighborhood near the Wheaton mall shooting on Sunday at 11 a.m. that was very near the Giant. This is a neighborhood, with an Kensington zip code, often touted on DCUM as fairly affordable and good for families.

It’s disconcerting, but it’s certainly not a war zone here. The violence hasn’t spilled over into our single-family home streets, but it’s worrisome it could.

[Anonymous]

If You look at the map though, you'll see that most of the residential neighborhoods near DTSS are still very safe, with no shootings recorded since 2014.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If You look at the map though, you'll see that most of the residential neighborhoods near DTSS are still very safe, with no shootings recorded since 2014.

West of DTSS is Woodside, which then very quickly gives way to Chevy Chase. The local activists believe these safe neighborhoods are filled with NIMBY racists. East is the Takoma Park Historic District. This is a famously NIMBY neighborhood but the aforementioned activists live here so they don’t normally talk about it. These neighborhoods are mostly white and feature million dollar homes. You can see how the violence follows Thayer to the park where these murders happened (there is a huge low income apartment complex there) and after Sligo it picks up at Flower and Piney Branch.

In other words, it’s very easy to discern why some neighborhoods are safe and why some are not. In White Oak you can even see a cluster gun homicides around a very specific apartment complex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If You look at the map though, you'll see that most of the residential neighborhoods near DTSS are still very safe, with no shootings recorded since 2014.

West of DTSS is Woodside, which then very quickly gives way to Chevy Chase. The local activists believe these safe neighborhoods are filled with NIMBY racists. East is the Takoma Park Historic District. This is a famously NIMBY neighborhood but the aforementioned activists live here so they don’t normally talk about it. These neighborhoods are mostly white and feature million dollar homes. You can see how the violence follows Thayer to the park where these murders happened (there is a huge low income apartment complex there) and after Sligo it picks up at Flower and Piney Branch.

In other words, it’s very easy to discern why some neighborhoods are safe and why some are not. In White Oak you can even see a cluster gun homicides around a very specific apartment complex.

I’m happy to be called a “NIMBY racist” if it keeps the violence out of my neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I live there. No it is not a war zone.

As long as you’re comfortable with the level of violence then everything is cool, I guess.

Is there a city with no murders?

Of course not, practically speaking.

But as someone who lived in an area where I could sometime hear gunshots and there was adjacent crime it was relatively easy to brush it off because it was mostly fine that it didn't affect me much. Until I moved to an area where these things are just not a part of daily, weekly, or regular life. It's different, and clearly the later is preferable. It's sad that so many people don't have the ability to live in safer places. It's one thing to say it's a trade off, but don't become so immune to the problem that you deny it: that's a fair way to adapt and be resilient, but it's ultimately unfair to the people who are less better off who live closer to the violence (physically and socially) to just turn your head and deny the problem.

NP. You realize that lots of live in Silver Spring right? You're telling someone who lives there what's fair to...the people who live there. The shooting (which happened very close to where I live) is tragic; hopefully, they'll find the people who did it. The jump from there to "war zone" or "no go" or even "gunshots are part of daily life," though, is totally wrong in my actual experience as a person who lives here.

Thanks for reframing the situation. I spent years of my childhood living a capital city where one end of a block can be dicey and the other is safer, and you have to navigate that coming and going to school and activities. Now that I live in a much safer and tonier suburb, I know what the difference is: greater peace of mind. Millions of people live in dicey areas around the world. You become habituated. Most people have no choice and have never experienced anything different. But when you DO have a choice and can move out, you certainly feel better in your daily life.

Becoming habituated to violence and trauma is exactly what the people making excuses about why some schools have such horrible issues, say. The trauma is what makes kids talk back, get into fights, become a wildwest, have horrible test scores—etc.

(The way it’s used as an excuse without ever giving any realistic and good-for-society solutions bothers me— but I don’t doubt it is actually a big factor).

So yeah, even if it’s unconsciously—living in a place with a lot of murders and crimes definitely has a mental/psychological cost.