Is Barnard the same as Columbia?

[Anonymous]

The two colleges have become closer and more intertwined over the years. Back in the days I was in HS it was Columbia that held all the prestige and Barnard where girls from New Jersey went to be in the city and where they didn't have to be academic geniuses. That has changed. Its become more and more difficult to get into Barnard, it draws a different crowd (aka the Columbia crowd) and so the acceptance rate has dropped severely until they're almost on a par. They share classes, they share buildings and other aspects of college life.

[Anonymous]

Obviously, not the SAME as Columbia but certainly a part of Columbia University

[Anonymous]

Barnard/Columbia is like Radcliffe/Harvard - very prestigious schools for young women that were founded in the 19th century and affiliated with an older university. Columbia and Harvard colleges were all male until 40 0f 50 years ago. Harvard killed off Radcliffe when Harvard went coed. Barnard continues to thrive as an independent college for women inside Columbia. Prior to that, everyone was aware that a Radcliffe or Barnard woman went to the female equivalent of Harvard or Columbia College. IMHO Barnard has enough prestige to stand on its own, and everyone who knows anything is aware that it’s still part of Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA list Wise as their campus, so is UVA Wise UVA?

If you thought about your question for about 2 seconds before posting it, you’d know the answer.

Wise is 300 miles from Charlottesville. They don’t cross register for classes at UVA. They don’t share dining halls or library space. The only connection other than both being part of the state university system is that uva offers a guaranteed transfer from wide to certain freshman applicants. Vastly different scenarios from Columbia and Barnard. It’s more like UT Austin and UT Dallas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA list Wise as their campus, so is UVA Wise UVA?

If you thought about your question for about 2 seconds before posting it, you’d know the answer.

Wise is 300 miles from Charlottesville. They don’t cross register for classes at UVA. They don’t share dining halls or library space. The only connection other than both being part of the state university system is that uva offers a guaranteed transfer from wide to certain freshman applicants. Vastly different scenarios from Columbia and Barnard. It’s more like UT Austin and UT Dallas.

You are correct that UVA and UVA Wise are operationally distinct due to distance, but UVA Wise is a component of UVA (Code of Virginia, Chapter 22, Article 2) and is under the control of the UVA board of visitors. UT Austin and UT Dallas are both part of the University of Texas system, with UT Austin being designated the flagship as put forth in the State Constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who is going. To Barnard should be saying they’re going to Columbia. But the schools are combined in many aspect. My DH who went to Columbia views them as one and the same and views his Barnard counterparts as classmates.

So Barnard students shouldn’t consider themselves part of the Columbia student body but Columbia students should consider Barnard students part of Columbia? Right. Gotcha. Crystal clear.

FWIW, Barnard IS an official college of Columbia. It’s not some loose affiliation. This may offend the notions of some on here who think they know the exact pecking order of universities in this country, but it’s just a fact.

https://catalog.barnard.edu/barnard-college/college/#:~:text=Barnard%20is%20both%20an%20independently,rich%2C%20value%2Denhancing%20partnership.

Why not use one name then?

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Barnard is an affiliate. They have to pay annually to Columbia for it.

Show us the evidence

It's in Columbia's official documents. You can search for it. They paid a few millions per year. When I have time, I can find the document for you.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who is going. To Barnard should be saying they’re going to Columbia. But the schools are combined in many aspect. My DH who went to Columbia views them as one and the same and views his Barnard counterparts as classmates.

So Barnard students shouldn’t consider themselves part of the Columbia student body but Columbia students should consider Barnard students part of Columbia? Right. Gotcha. Crystal clear.

FWIW, Barnard IS an official college of Columbia. It’s not some loose affiliation. This may offend the notions of some on here who think they know the exact pecking order of universities in this country, but it’s just a fact.

https://catalog.barnard.edu/barnard-college/college/#:~:text=Barnard%20is%20both%20an%20independently,rich%2C%20value%2Denhancing%20partnership.

Why not use one name then?

OP

Barnard is an affiliate. They have to pay annually to Columbia for it.

Show us the evidence

It's in Columbia's official documents. You can search for it. They paid a few millions per year. When I have time, I can find the document for you.

From Wikipedia:

Barnard is currently one of four Columbia undergraduate colleges with independent admission, curriculum, and financials. Students share classes, libraries, clubs, sororities, athletic fields, and dining halls with Columbia as well as sports teams.[3] This is through the Columbia-Barnard Athletic Consortium,[4] an agreement that makes Barnard the only women's college to offer its students the ability to compete in NCAA Division I athletics. Students receive a diploma from Columbia University.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who is going. To Barnard should be saying they’re going to Columbia. But the schools are combined in many aspect. My DH who went to Columbia views them as one and the same and views his Barnard counterparts as classmates.

So Barnard students shouldn’t consider themselves part of the Columbia student body but Columbia students should consider Barnard students part of Columbia? Right. Gotcha. Crystal clear.

FWIW, Barnard IS an official college of Columbia. It’s not some loose affiliation. This may offend the notions of some on here who think they know the exact pecking order of universities in this country, but it’s just a fact.

https://catalog.barnard.edu/barnard-college/college/#:~:text=Barnard%20is%20both%20an%20independently,rich%2C%20value%2Denhancing%20partnership.

Why not use one name then?

OP

Barnard is an affiliate. They have to pay annually to Columbia for it.

Show us the evidence

It's in Columbia's official documents. You can search for it. They paid a few millions per year. When I have time, I can find the document for you.

From Wikipedia:

Barnard is currently one of four Columbia undergraduate colleges with independent admission, curriculum, and financials. Students share classes, libraries, clubs, sororities, athletic fields, and dining halls with Columbia as well as sports teams.[3] This is through the Columbia-Barnard Athletic Consortium,[4] an agreement that makes Barnard the only women's college to offer its students the ability to compete in NCAA Division I athletics. Students receive a diploma from Columbia University.

Wikipedia is not official document. Everybody can edit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Barnard/Columbia is like Radcliffe/Harvard - very prestigious schools for young women that were founded in the 19th century and affiliated with an older university. Columbia and Harvard colleges were all male until 40 0f 50 years ago. Harvard killed off Radcliffe when Harvard went coed. Barnard continues to thrive as an independent college for women inside Columbia. Prior to that, everyone was aware that a Radcliffe or Barnard woman went to the female equivalent of Harvard or Columbia College. IMHO Barnard has enough prestige to stand on its own, and everyone who knows anything is aware that it’s still part of Columbia.

Columbia proposed to merge with Barnard in the 80s before it went coed, and Barnard refused. I bet Barnard regretted it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA list Wise as their campus, so is UVA Wise UVA?

If you thought about your question for about 2 seconds before posting it, you’d know the answer.

Wise is 300 miles from Charlottesville. They don’t cross register for classes at UVA. They don’t share dining halls or library space. The only connection other than both being part of the state university system is that uva offers a guaranteed transfer from wide to certain freshman applicants. Vastly different scenarios from Columbia and Barnard. It’s more like UT Austin and UT Dallas.

I was responding to the criteria,
"Columbia lists them as one of their undergraduate schools in its website"

Also there are many other cases that schools share clases but they are not the same schools - Brown/RISD, UPitt/CMU, GATech/Emory, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who is going. To Barnard should be saying they’re going to Columbia. But the schools are combined in many aspect. My DH who went to Columbia views them as one and the same and views his Barnard counterparts as classmates.

So Barnard students shouldn’t consider themselves part of the Columbia student body but Columbia students should consider Barnard students part of Columbia? Right. Gotcha. Crystal clear.

FWIW, Barnard IS an official college of Columbia. It’s not some loose affiliation. This may offend the notions of some on here who think they know the exact pecking order of universities in this country, but it’s just a fact.

https://catalog.barnard.edu/barnard-college/college/#:~:text=Barnard%20is%20both%20an%20independently,rich%2C%20value%2Denhancing%20partnership.

Why not use one name then?

OP

Barnard is an affiliate. They have to pay annually to Columbia for it.

Show us the evidence

It's in Columbia's official documents. You can search for it. They paid a few millions per year. When I have time, I can find the document for you.

I don’t see anything to support your claims

[Anonymous]

YAWN. Somebody has it in for Barnard. I agree it’s pompous to say Columbia when you’re going to go to Barnard but everyone knows it’s part of Columbia. And it’s also more than a bit sexist and ahistorical to insist it’s inferior to the former all boys school that’s also part of Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Colmbia GS is a bigger crime

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously, not the SAME as Columbia but certainly a part of Columbia University

Barnard is part of Columbia University, but not part of Columbia College. End of discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Barnard/Columbia is like Radcliffe/Harvard - very prestigious schools for young women that were founded in the 19th century and affiliated with an older university. Columbia and Harvard colleges were all male until 40 0f 50 years ago. Harvard killed off Radcliffe when Harvard went coed. Barnard continues to thrive as an independent college for women inside Columbia. Prior to that, everyone was aware that a Radcliffe or Barnard woman went to the female equivalent of Harvard or Columbia College. IMHO Barnard has enough prestige to stand on its own, and everyone who knows anything is aware that it’s still part of Columbia.

Columbia proposed to merge with Barnard in the 80s before it went coed, and Barnard refused. I bet Barnard regretted it.

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