Minimum math at TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

A "TJ Math 3" tutor LOL.

Spoon feeding your child wont help things. Have them talk to their teacher if they are having trouble. The teacher will recommend next steps such as 8th period help, extra resources to read and problems to work on, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

How did your child get in if they struggle with Math 3? Serious question because it makes no sense that they would struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

How did your child get in if they struggle with Math 3? Serious question because it makes no sense that they would struggle.

They likely are bringing other holistic aspects, you know the 21st Century Skills:
Collaborator
Communicator
Creative and Critical Thinker
Ethical/Global Citizen
Goal-Directed & Resilient Individual
Innovator
Leader
Problem Solver

If child is struggling with math 3, it their and their parents' problem. Moreover if they just accept the C or D, it wouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be a academic rat race for As and Bs.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

A "TJ Math 3" tutor LOL.

Spoon feeding your child wont help things. Have them talk to their teacher if they are having trouble. The teacher will recommend next steps such as 8th period help, extra resources to read and problems to work on, etc.

8th period is for meant for cool and competitive club activities. You are suggesting the child use 8th period for math help, when their peers are doing cool stuff in one or more of the 80 clubs?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

How did your child get in if they struggle with Math 3? Serious question because it makes no sense that they would struggle.

They likely are bringing other holistic aspects, you know the 21st Century Skills:
Collaborator
Communicator
Creative and Critical Thinker
Ethical/Global Citizen
Goal-Directed & Resilient Individual
Innovator
Leader
Problem Solver

If child is struggling with math 3, it their and their parents' problem. Moreover if they just accept the C or D, it wouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be a academic rat race for As and Bs.

I thought TJ had a minimum GPA that if you fell below it, you would be sent back to your base high school. A C or D is not acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

How did your child get in if they struggle with Math 3? Serious question because it makes no sense that they would struggle.

They likely are bringing other holistic aspects, you know the 21st Century Skills:
Collaborator
Communicator
Creative and Critical Thinker
Ethical/Global Citizen
Goal-Directed & Resilient Individual
Innovator
Leader
Problem Solver

If child is struggling with math 3, it their and their parents' problem. Moreover if they just accept the C or D, it wouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be a academic rat race for As and Bs.

I thought TJ had a minimum GPA that if you fell below it, you would be sent back to your base high school. A C or D is not acceptable.

Need to maintain cumulative GPA of 3.0. So, an A in PE can offset a C in math, etc...

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

Sorry we didn’t use one so I’m not sure. If you need a tutor with only Math 3 though I would have your kid seriously consider returning to base school. It won’t get easier after this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

275 students are the bottom half of the class, guaranteed.
55 are in the bottom 10%>

Being at the bottom isn't the problem. Being unprepared for the material is a problem.

Hop on Khan Academy or IX. It should be dead easy through Algebra 1, and fine through Geometry (if you haven't been exposed yet, you don't have to know if all, it should feel accessible to view some modules and solve the problems).

you sound like an asian american parent from carson/long fellow/kilmer. Isn't doing outside prep of any kind - free or kumon considered cheating? No outside prep should be needed to get into and do well at TJ, they said. Public school math should be sufficient, they added.

"They" who?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

A "TJ Math 3" tutor LOL.

Spoon feeding your child wont help things. Have them talk to their teacher if they are having trouble. The teacher will recommend next steps such as 8th period help, extra resources to read and problems to work on, etc.

8th period is for meant for cool and competitive club activities. You are suggesting the child use 8th period for math help, when their peers are doing cool stuff in one or more of the 80 clubs?

Yes of course they should. If they're having trouble with the core math class, they should fix it during school hours if possible, i.e when a teacher is there to help them troubleshoot. Once they can figure out what the issue is, whether it's not trying to fix mistakes on homeworks, not reading the book/notes carefully, not doing enough practice problems, etc. once they fix that they can go back to doing the "cool" activities.

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8th period is for meant for cool and competitive club activities. You are suggesting the child use 8th period for math help, when their peers are doing cool stuff in one or more of the 80 clubs?

That's what was suggested by TJ Math 4 teachers in their letter to students two years ago.

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Peer help can also be used in 8th period, and at other times as well. The IBET peers that get on the advanced math progression path are good resource to seek help from if they happen to be available.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. You must take Calc at TJ.

Wish they had said something about this before applying, instead of wasting darn time. Cant get 3/4th of the kids in our school to learn basic algebra, but want them to go to TJ and do more math

FCPS is targeting the top 5-10% at such a school, as part of their equity objectives…

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. You must take Calc at TJ.

Wish they had said something about this before applying, instead of wasting darn time. Cant get 3/4th of the kids in our school to learn basic algebra, but want them to go to TJ and do more math

FCPS is targeting the top 5-10% at such a school, as part of their equity objectives…

FCPS wants TJ to have more diversity to satisfy the NAACP and race % numbers. It doesn't care about your individual student and if TJ would be a good fit. They are doing a disservice to many students who would excel at their base high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Go to a Kumon center and ask them to give DC a placement test in math. Those used to be no cost, but even if there is a modest cost, have DC take that test, and learn where Kumon thinks the student’s math skills really are. That will NOT be a perfect measure, but it would be a reasonably objective metric without any “grade inflation”. (Kumon will teach students at very high math levels, including more advanced Calculus.). Then decide for yourself if TJ is a good fit.

Regardless, please understand that many TJ students (and other FCPS students doing well in math) have had years and years of outside math supplementing (from AoPS, Kumon, Mathnasium, or RSM) to get them prepped for TJ. It is common for this to start by 3rd or 4th grade, and some kids start earlier than that. Supplementing for years is not required, and is not what FCPS wants to hear, but it sure does help.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

275 students are the bottom half of the class, guaranteed.
55 are in the bottom 10%>

Being at the bottom isn't the problem. Being unprepared for the material is a problem.

Hop on Khan Academy or IX. It should be dead easy through Algebra 1, and fine through Geometry (if you haven't been exposed yet, you don't have to know if all, it should feel accessible to view some modules and solve the problems).

you sound like an asian american parent from carson/long fellow/kilmer. Isn't doing outside prep of any kind - free or kumon considered cheating? No outside prep should be needed to get into and do well at TJ, they said. Public school math should be sufficient, they added.

Go away, racist troll.

For everyone else, obviously doing regular practice homework and self-assessment, using the tools recommended by most classroom teachers in FCPS and other districts is a good idea for advanced academics.