Minimum math at TJ

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how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

The high school data science course is really data literacy with minimal math content. Very few high schools are offering it. In any case, TJ students have already taken Research Statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

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Anonymous wrote:The sports “analogy” is so racist for every race that I can only assume that the person who posted it is just really stupid or really hates themselves.

It assumes that Asians cannot play sports. And I assure you, looking at what is going on in the MLB that is not the case. And looking at the girls basketball team at TJ- there are Asians on that team!!!!!

And you know what also bothers me about that analogy? That athletic people can’t be smart. It’s like saying smart people can’t be beautiful. Or that beautiful people can’t be good at math.

TJ kids can be both smart and athletic. Blacks can be good at math and Asians can be good at sports. There are also Asians that are stupid jocks too. Or actors. Or artists.

It’s so freaking racist- and if that poster is Asian- dude. Do yourself a favor and maybe not think every Asian can’t be good at sports. People can be both.

And for the record: Asian here. People assumed I was smart and gifted because I was Asian but were always surprised at how funny or caring I am. And it is that same implicit racism that I am trying to point out.

It's really hard to be good at school and sports and still have time for being a kid.
Athletes that are good enough to get recruited are probably spending 20 hours a week on their sport.

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Anonymous wrote:The Chinese and Indian weekend school entrepreneurs sold immigrant families on the idea of TJ for social mobility. The way to do that was offer more advanced math classes to only those communities which would give them a leg up in admissions. Hence the math jump came from those Asian students. And it worked, they got in. It is deeply unhealthy for most of those students.

Stop spreading the BS. Tutoring centers will happily take your kids and your money. But, it's not their responsibility that your kids can't keep up with the class. There is no advanced math courses offered only to Chinese and Indian students. More like your kids are not ready for those courses.

This same argument was used in NYC because all the enrichment centers opened in largely asian neighborhoods, even poor asian neighborhoods. They acted like it was racism that was keeping entrepreneurs from opening academic enrichment centers in black and hispanic neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:The sports “analogy” is so racist for every race that I can only assume that the person who posted it is just really stupid or really hates themselves.

It assumes that Asians cannot play sports. And I assure you, looking at what is going on in the MLB that is not the case. And looking at the girls basketball team at TJ- there are Asians on that team!!!!!

And you know what also bothers me about that analogy? That athletic people can’t be smart. It’s like saying smart people can’t be beautiful. Or that beautiful people can’t be good at math.

TJ kids can be both smart and athletic. Blacks can be good at math and Asians can be good at sports. There are also Asians that are stupid jocks too. Or actors. Or artists.

It’s so freaking racist- and if that poster is Asian- dude. Do yourself a favor and maybe not think every Asian can’t be good at sports. People can be both.

And for the record: Asian here. People assumed I was smart and gifted because I was Asian but were always surprised at how funny or caring I am. And it is that same implicit racism that I am trying to point out.

It's really hard to be good at school and sports and still have time for being a kid.
Athletes that are good enough to get recruited are probably spending 20 hours a week on their sport.

Why the minute anyone says "sports" does everyone assume "aspiring D1 collegiate recruit?" Only 7% of high school athletes play in college at any level - not counting IM or club I assume - so the number going on to college are so slim as to be generally ignorable. It's totally possible to play sports, handle the TJ course load, and also have free time. It just...is. People saying it isn't are trolls who have not talked to anyone at TJ in years or ever. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:The sports “analogy” is so racist for every race that I can only assume that the person who posted it is just really stupid or really hates themselves.

It assumes that Asians cannot play sports. And I assure you, looking at what is going on in the MLB that is not the case. And looking at the girls basketball team at TJ- there are Asians on that team!!!!!

And you know what also bothers me about that analogy? That athletic people can’t be smart. It’s like saying smart people can’t be beautiful. Or that beautiful people can’t be good at math.

TJ kids can be both smart and athletic. Blacks can be good at math and Asians can be good at sports. There are also Asians that are stupid jocks too. Or actors. Or artists.

It’s so freaking racist- and if that poster is Asian- dude. Do yourself a favor and maybe not think every Asian can’t be good at sports. People can be both.

And for the record: Asian here. People assumed I was smart and gifted because I was Asian but were always surprised at how funny or caring I am. And it is that same implicit racism that I am trying to point out.

It's really hard to be good at school and sports and still have time for being a kid.
Athletes that are good enough to get recruited are probably spending 20 hours a week on their sport.

Why the minute anyone says "sports" does everyone assume "aspiring D1 collegiate recruit?" Only 7% of high school athletes play in college at any level - not counting IM or club I assume - so the number going on to college are so slim as to be generally ignorable. It's totally possible to play sports, handle the TJ course load, and also have free time. It just...is. People saying it isn't are trolls who have not talked to anyone at TJ in years or ever. Sorry.

Only 6% of students attend a college with an acceptance rate of 25% or less.
Does this mean the number of students going to selective colleges like that are so slim as to be ignorable?
Or are you just talking about the fact that kids at TJ are physically capable of playing sports? because I agree that there are some very good athletes at TJ that could have been great athletes if they dedicated their lives to sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to determine if DC is ready for TJ Math? does TJ provide an assessment or self evaluation tool that DC can use to decide if they are ready for TJ Math?

Do they get A's in math consistently and view getting them as pretty simple to do? If so, they have a good shot at doing well in TJ math. It's for kids who get math quickly and don't tend to struggle with most math concepts

Is there a online timed test that DC can take to determine their math readiness for TJ? It sounds like A in middle school math is not a reliable indicator.

DP. I would say with retakes and with SBG that grades don't really mean anything, positive or negative. Do you know your DC? I know that one of mine is good at math and the other one isn't. Their grades don't have much to do with it.

Sure, I know my DC. But if neither parents have math/science background, is there a way to determine if DC's math level is sufficient to be successful at TJ? There is plenty discussion here about how TJ kids struggle with mental stress, lack of sleep, play constant catch-up trying to get out of Cs & Ds, etc. If DC is not ready to do regular (not honors/advanced) TJ math with ease, it doesnt make sense to put them through the stress and convince them it's ok to be at the bottom of the class.

Yes it’s more stress and work but constant lack of sleep and Cs/Ds haven’t been DC’s experience so far. She is doing the typical track there (started with RS and Math3 in 9th) not the extra advanced one though so maybe that plays a role?

DC in same classes, no extra or advanced. Can you suggest a TJ Math 3 tutor? Dont want to wait until last few weeks of the semester, like last time, and struggle to find a tutor who knew RS1 specific content

How did your child get in if they struggle with Math 3? Serious question because it makes no sense that they would struggle.

They likely are bringing other holistic aspects, you know the 21st Century Skills:
Collaborator
Communicator
Creative and Critical Thinker
Ethical/Global Citizen
Goal-Directed & Resilient Individual
Innovator
Leader
Problem Solver

If child is struggling with math 3, it their and their parents' problem. Moreover if they just accept the C or D, it wouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be a academic rat race for As and Bs.

I thought TJ had a minimum GPA that if you fell below it, you would be sent back to your base high school. A C or D is not acceptable.

C is not all that uncommon especially in junior year. as long as GPA is above 3.0, it's safe zone.

Does a C count as 2 or weighted 3?

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

Calculus is so hard, not everyone is ready to learn in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

Calculus is so hard, not everyone is ready to learn in high school.

Is this a joke?

TJ is a STEM magnet. If a student is not ready to learn calc by senior year, they should be at their in bound HS. Anyone capable of getting in to TJ should be capable of taking calculus.

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

Calculus is so hard, not everyone is ready to learn in high school.

Is this a joke?

TJ is a STEM magnet. If a student is not ready to learn calc by senior year, they should be at their in bound HS. Anyone capable of getting in to TJ should be capable of taking calculus.

The argument is TJ should not be taking away math pathways available at base school, but adding to them. So instead of precalc/calc, take Algebra-2 and following it up with statistics, and be done with math.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

Calculus is so hard, not everyone is ready to learn in high school.

Then don't apply to TJ where you are required to take and pass Calculus. Go to your base school where you don't have to take Calculus. TJ is a STEM school that is special because it has classes that require higher level math to take. If you don't want to take the math to participate in those classes, then go to your base school.

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Anonymous wrote:how to graduate from TJ without taking calculus? Is there an alternative?

graduating from base high school, yes. from TJ, no. It doesnt appear there is an alternative. Should there be one? sure. Data Science comes to mind.

Why? TJ's purpose has always been to prepare kids for the sciences or a tech-related career. For all that you need calculus in college. Should you? Maybe not (see: Temple Grandin on this), but you do.

Calculus is so hard, not everyone is ready to learn in high school.

Then don't apply to TJ where you are required to take and pass Calculus. Go to your base school where you don't have to take Calculus. TJ is a STEM school that is special because it has classes that require higher level math to take. If you don't want to take the math to participate in those classes, then go to your base school.

You have to wonder why you would want to go to TJ is you're not at least pretty good at math.

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Anonymous wrote:If student takes Calc AB in senior year and fails, what happens? can they retake it immediately in summer and be done with it? Also does TJ allow taking Calc AB as pass fail option?

Retakes may be allowed, but previous grade would stay on transcript, cant be purged. Talking a math course as pass fail may not look good for college admissions.