Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?

[Anonymous]

I don't think a reliable answer or source will be available until around 2027. You cannot tell anything in a year or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida college admissions are less competitive as no out-of-state, high stats kids are interested. Why pay for a lackluster, third tier education? Should make it somewhat easier for in-state applicants.

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While I don't have data for the last two years, in 2021, the University of Florida was the #1 destination in the country for National Merit Scholars, with 382, a hundred more than second place University of Alabama, and the number of NMS had been increasing for years. (Note that NMS is not the same as NMF. NMF is a more reliable guide to smart students, but NMS is a good enough proxy when comparing against institutions similar to U of F that turn all their NMF applications into NMS). NMS applicants were trending up at every other major Florida college besides New College Florida, which has faced declining numbers since 2010.

Institution,2021,2020,2019,2018,2017
University of Florida,382,342,270,231,202
University of Central Florida,107,83,91,83,89
Florida State University,60,42,20,21,25
University of South Florida,57,34,35,23,15
Florida Atlantic University,25,19,24,9,0
Florida International University,5,5,0,0,1
New College of Florida,1,2,2,5,3
Florida Institute of Technology,0,1,0,0,0
University of North Florida,0,1,0,0,0
Florida A&M University,0,0,0,0,0
Florida SouthWestern State College,0,0,0,0,0
University of West Florida,0,0,1,0,0
Florida Gulf Coast University,0,1,,

Anyway, sometimes it's good to check how you feel things ought to be against how things are.

NMS at a school is mostly a measure of state population and lack of other desirable schools in the region. Florida is a high population, large, isolated region. From South Florida, there aren't many other nearby states to drive to like DMV has MD, VA, DE, PA, NJ, NY, MA...

https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalists-by-state/

California (and UT Austin) don't participate in the NMS program.

https://www.nationalmerit.org/s/1758/images/gid2/editor_documents/guide_to_the_national_merit_scholarship_program.pdf?gid=2&pgid=61

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there are some students that won't go south of the Mason Dixon line.

But is that really affecting anything at Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, UNC, Texas, UVA, Georgia Tech, and Florida?

Don't think so.

Harvard apps were down 19 percent this year. Pretty sure Florida is not having the same issue.

Wrong

We are no longer hiring from
Florida schools. Good luck with your kid getting a job.

What loving parent sends their kid to a school that stopped science in academics

Don’t apply to med school or grad school for engineering anywhere else your degree is now worthless

No one cares about working for you.

[Anonymous]

I don’t remember Florida schools as ever being strong academically. I thought they were just strong in football. I thought only local students went there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what I’m hearing, but I’m not sure if it’s wishful thinking or a real thing.

Any insight?

From what I’m seeing, plenty of northerners are flocking to southern schools—including SEC universities.

What are you seeing in the latest round of applications and admissions?

No I do not think there has been any drop off. I would not expect one either.

I think there has been a drop off. So now we have a sample size of 2.

What we need is ED/EA numbers for OOS students for this application cycle for various state schools. Unless you have those, your thoughts are worthless. (As are mine). You need hard data, not political wishes. In state kids are often limited by finances and need to use Bright Futures. And DeSantis has done a lot of damage in the last year. So the number you want is OOS applicants, this application cycle. Without that, it’s just guesswork. And most people guess based on their politics.

Now, colleges that have high/ growing ED/ EA numbers tend to issue splashy press releases in time to get the attention of RD applicants. Top VA colleges did this before Christmas for this admission cycle ED/EA and reported big bumps— for example WM had a 45% increase over the last cycle plus the current cycle. If UF were doing well with OOS, there should be press release touting “priority admission” numbers (they don’t ED and call EA priority admissions). If not, UF will stay quiet until they have to release the CDS numbers (if DeSantis lets them continue participate in CDS). UF’s most recent release that I saw (without digging too much, to be fair) noted a “slight increase” (their words) in applications number for the last cycle. Given the huge increases for other decent state schools (UVA, WM, VT, UMD, Michigan, UCs— even Wisconsin, UC-Boulder, Purdue, Illinois- Bloomington), a “slight increase” last year, before things got really f—ked up with DeSntis and education, that’s not a great sign for them.

If someone has the UF priority admission numbers this year for OOS, please share. UF Priority app was due 11/1. So if the haven’t released a “more application!” Brag release, UF probably is taking a hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that half the country is not liberal? Trump might even be re-elected and is ahead of Biden in the polls. Far from everyone is obsessed with the liberal cause du jour when it comes to college choices. Some of you people live in such a bubble.

MAGA is a lost cause. But you can be a moderate, sane conservative and be concerned about the Governor of a state pushing culture wars on a college, screwing around with academic freedom and tenure and eliminating freedom of speech on college campuses. The issue in my mind isn’t liberal vs conservative. It’s should politicians be pushing political agendas at state Universities. Plenty of red states with campuses that lean conservative don’t have the issues FL does with DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there are some students that won't go south of the Mason Dixon line.

But is that really affecting anything at Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, UNC, Texas, UVA, Georgia Tech, and Florida?

Don't think so.

Harvard apps were down 19 percent this year. Pretty sure Florida is not having the same issue.

First, how would you know? You want to cite to facts and stats? Second. No duh. UF doesn’t have EA or ED. And RD numbers aren’t out yet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.

I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.

I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.

[Anonymous]

Sadly I think it’s not just a political issue. It’s an educational quality issue. The faculty and admin at UF have done a phenomenal job over the past few decades bringing it from a regional football school to a major research university. The board of regents is a real problem now though. Deans and professors are quietly retiring or finding new spots to avoid political interference with their work. It breaks my heart and hopefully won’t get worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida college admissions are less competitive as no out-of-state, high stats kids are interested. Why pay for a lackluster, third tier education? Should make it somewhat easier for in-state applicants.

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While I don't have data for the last two years, in 2021, the University of Florida was the #1 destination in the country for National Merit Scholars, with 382, a hundred more than second place University of Alabama, and the number of NMS had been increasing for years. (Note that NMS is not the same as NMF. NMF is a more reliable guide to smart students, but NMS is a good enough proxy when comparing against institutions similar to U of F that turn all their NMF applications into NMS). NMS applicants were trending up at every other major Florida college besides New College Florida, which has faced declining numbers since 2010.

Institution,2021,2020,2019,2018,2017
University of Florida,382,342,270,231,202
University of Central Florida,107,83,91,83,89
Florida State University,60,42,20,21,25
University of South Florida,57,34,35,23,15
Florida Atlantic University,25,19,24,9,0
Florida International University,5,5,0,0,1
New College of Florida,1,2,2,5,3
Florida Institute of Technology,0,1,0,0,0
University of North Florida,0,1,0,0,0
Florida A&M University,0,0,0,0,0
Florida SouthWestern State College,0,0,0,0,0
University of West Florida,0,0,1,0,0
Florida Gulf Coast University,0,1,,

Anyway, sometimes it's good to check how you feel things ought to be against how things are.

My child is one of those NMS at UF.
I don’t think this shows anything other than those schools have really good financial offers for NMS. In 2021 you could go to Florida schools for free (not just tuition but room, board and living expenses) if you were a NMS. UF was the highest rated college that offered a full ride. Beginning in 2022, that program is only available to Florida residents. Alabama also offers full rides to NMF but doesn’t rank as high. So, I believe what this shows is that these schools offer a lot of money for NMF.

UF admissions don’t appear to be hurting at all. It’s ranking went up last year.

[Anonymous]

Not many people were ever looking at FL so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida college admissions are less competitive as no out-of-state, high stats kids are interested. Why pay for a lackluster, third tier education? Should make it somewhat easier for in-state applicants.

'

While I don't have data for the last two years, in 2021, the University of Florida was the #1 destination in the country for National Merit Scholars, with 382, a hundred more than second place University of Alabama, and the number of NMS had been increasing for years. (Note that NMS is not the same as NMF. NMF is a more reliable guide to smart students, but NMS is a good enough proxy when comparing against institutions similar to U of F that turn all their NMF applications into NMS). NMS applicants were trending up at every other major Florida college besides New College Florida, which has faced declining numbers since 2010.

Institution,2021,2020,2019,2018,2017
University of Florida,382,342,270,231,202
University of Central Florida,107,83,91,83,89
Florida State University,60,42,20,21,25
University of South Florida,57,34,35,23,15
Florida Atlantic University,25,19,24,9,0
Florida International University,5,5,0,0,1
New College of Florida,1,2,2,5,3
Florida Institute of Technology,0,1,0,0,0
University of North Florida,0,1,0,0,0
Florida A&M University,0,0,0,0,0
Florida SouthWestern State College,0,0,0,0,0
University of West Florida,0,0,1,0,0
Florida Gulf Coast University,0,1,,

Anyway, sometimes it's good to check how you feel things ought to be against how things are.

My child is one of those NMS at UF.
I don’t think this shows anything other than those schools have really good financial offers for NMS. In 2021 you could go to Florida schools for free (not just tuition but room, board and living expenses) if you were a NMS. UF was the highest rated college that offered a full ride. Beginning in 2022, that program is only available to Florida residents. Alabama also offers full rides to NMF but doesn’t rank as high. So, I believe what this shows is that these schools offer a lot of money for NMF.

UF admissions don’t appear to be hurting at all. It’s ranking went up last year.

But last year, USNWR dropped many academic excellence metrics and pushed hard into DEI and Pell grants. A school with a program like Bright Futures will always do well under the new metrics, even if the education is crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not many people were ever looking at FL so...

This.

Florida Man was a thing long before DeSantis became a star. In fact, Florida Man probably brought about DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there are some students that won't go south of the Mason Dixon line.

But is that really affecting anything at Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, UNC, Texas, UVA, Georgia Tech, and Florida?

Don't think so.

Harvard apps were down 19 percent this year. Pretty sure Florida is not having the same issue.

Wrong

We are no longer hiring from
Florida schools. Good luck with your kid getting a job.

What loving parent sends their kid to a school that stopped science in academics

Don’t apply to med school or grad school for engineering anywhere else your degree is now worthless

Drama much?
The science education at UF is still great. No issues going to med school. Step away from the TV.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about all of the Florida schools, but as to FSU Early Action (only available to Florida residents) - here is the profile of the admitted students for this current application cycle:
ADMITTED STUDENT PROFILE:
FALL: GPA: 4.4-4.6, SAT: 1370-1480, ACT: 30-33
SUMMER: GPA: 4.2-4.5, SAT: 1300-1390, ACT: 28-31