What do you think is the origin behind men always being expected to make the first move, ask the woman out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how men are all about evolution to back up that they're "hard wired" to sleep around, and preferably with the youngest female persons possible.

But when women sleep with the most virile men and choose to live with docile men to raise their children, that's not evolution it's just women being dumb for liking bad boys and gold digging opportunists for marrying nice ones.

Oh, the incels will say it's also evolution that program a woman to lust for alphas and play betas for chumps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh lord, it has nothing to do with any kind of social construct, “patriarchy”… whatever you want to call it. These posters have no clue.

It’s biology, duh. Patriarchy comes from biology anyway.

Men are hard wired to want to procreate with as many women as possible, thus are more promiscuous, because the cost/benefit of promiscuity is much more in favor of men than women.

Now, men who are more timid and don’t make the first move historically are less likely to reproduce. Men who are sexually aggressive are more likely to have their genes passed on. These traits didn’t even originate in humans, they came from other species that we descended from. In almost all species the males are more aggressive at pursuing the females for mating, with few exceptions.

This is nothing to do with any kind of artificial social construct.

NP. The artificial social construct arose from biology, which is well described in this post.

That all makes sense for animals. But humans are conscious and capable of making logical decisions, and spiritual and emotional connections. Therefore we are not monkeys at the mercy of our instincts and chemical urges.

Humans date. Animals don't.

LOL that you think humans aren’t animals.

+1000

The arrogance of thinking primary functions of our being aren’t governed in large part by instincts and chemical urges. What makes it all run then? Fairy dust?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

The origin is men never really used to ask. They just took what they wanted.

Man takes what he wants, is that from the classic caveman analogy where a man uses a club and drags the woman back to his cave?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

There are plenty of women who will make the first move in modern times. Why not wait for one of them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men complain about this. Yet if they like a woman, they'll suddenly like her less if she pursues them.

They also don’t want to put in the work that will make a woman want to pursue them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

Then nut up. This is the game, such as it is, as you have acknowledged so play or sit on the sidelines but this whining is unattractive.

Women go after men ALL the time. Apparently they’re just not going after you. And you feel entitled to their attention. Can’t understand why it might not be working… 😒

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

The origin is men never really used to ask. They just took what they wanted.

But wouldn't they have to fight off other men much of the time like animals do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men complain about this. Yet if they like a woman, they'll suddenly like her less if she pursues them.

They also don’t want to put in the work that will make a woman want to pursue them.

Both so true. A man will dismiss a woman who openly asks a guy out or seems "too interested" as low value. But these same guys will refuse to do the stuff that would make seemingly unavailable women more interested in them. And most of these things aren't "make more money" or "drive an expensive car." They are stuff like having good hygiene, developing good conversational skills, being organized and thoughtful, being a caring friend and family member.

[Anonymous]

Women aren’t throwing themselves at guys for “being a caring friend and family member.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women aren’t throwing themselves at guys for “being a caring friend and family member.”

The smart ones are, actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women aren’t throwing themselves at guys for “being a caring friend and family member.”

I did. A lot of women do. Dh was such an excellent man and human being. I just knew he’d be a loving husband and father. Other women were after him too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

There are plenty of women who will make the first move in modern times. Why not wait for one of them?

Do you know of any successful or long-term relationships that were initiated by the woman or in which the woman asked the man out or in which the woman made the first move?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

There are plenty of women who will make the first move in modern times. Why not wait for one of them?

Do you know of any successful or long-term relationships that were initiated by the woman or in which the woman asked the man out or in which the woman made the first move?

Mine! Married 15 years, two kids, still in love. DH was sweet but bumbling in our first meeting, but I asked him out on both our first and second date. Good thing I did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh lord, it has nothing to do with any kind of social construct, “patriarchy”… whatever you want to call it. These posters have no clue.

It’s biology, duh. Patriarchy comes from biology anyway.

Men are hard wired to want to procreate with as many women as possible, thus are more promiscuous, because the cost/benefit of promiscuity is much more in favor of men than women.

Now, men who are more timid and don’t make the first move historically are less likely to reproduce. Men who are sexually aggressive are more likely to have their genes passed on. These traits didn’t even originate in humans, they came from other species that we descended from. In almost all species the males are more aggressive at pursuing the females for mating, with few exceptions.

This is nothing to do with any kind of artificial social construct.

NP. The artificial social construct arose from biology, which is well described in this post.

That all makes sense for animals. But humans are conscious and capable of making logical decisions, and spiritual and emotional connections. Therefore we are not monkeys at the mercy of our instincts and chemical urges.

Humans date. Animals don't.

Animals date. Read gorilla politics. Also My cat dated. She had several “suitors” then seemed to pick one which she hung out with all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

There are plenty of women who will make the first move in modern times. Why not wait for one of them?

Do you know of any successful or long-term relationships that were initiated by the woman or in which the woman asked the man out or in which the woman made the first move?

HRC