What do you think is the origin behind men always being expected to make the first move, ask the woman out?

[Anonymous]

I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

[Anonymous]

It's because women were considered property until quite recently, and men didn't ask women if they could go out with them. They asked their fathers, who owned these women. And then if they married (only with the father's permission), the woman became her husband's property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's because women were considered property until quite recently, and men didn't ask women if they could go out with them. They asked their fathers, who owned these women. And then if they married (only with the father's permission), the woman became her husband's property.

This. I mean, this rule is embedded in 20,000 years of the world sucking for women. Sorry that for 40 years, it's slightly tilted the balance in favor of women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because women were considered property until quite recently, and men didn't ask women if they could go out with them. They asked their fathers, who owned these women. And then if they married (only with the father's permission), the woman became her husband's property.

This. I mean, this rule is embedded in 20,000 years of the world sucking for women. Sorry that for 40 years, it's slightly tilted the balance in favor of women.

+1
For Millennia women did not have full personhood equivalent to men. Women were basically property of their father until they became property of their husband. Is it really that hard to figure out?

If you are really so socially inept that you can’t figure out how to approach a woman, you can always try Bumble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's because women were considered property until quite recently, and men didn't ask women if they could go out with them. They asked their fathers, who owned these women. And then if they married (only with the father's permission), the woman became her husband's property.

You’re referring to the good old days!

[Anonymous]

It’s because women have the upper hand and like to be courted. Go look at animals. Most animals have the men strutting about, fluffing their feathers, having the pretty colors to attract a female mate. I’m sure the opposite exists in nature, but it’s rare.

Women also have to be choosy who they mate with whereas men can mate and run away from any consequences

[Anonymous]

It’s bc that’s as good as any man will ever get. If he can’t manage a courtship phase, he’s not going to be better after marriage when he stops trying at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s bc that’s as good as any man will ever get. If he can’t manage a courtship phase, he’s not going to be better after marriage when he stops trying at all.

This
Men will go along with things. The only way to find out if he's actually interested is to see if he can get over this teeny weeny hurdle on his own like a big boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt I'm the only person or the only guy in the world that's always had a lifelong hatred or resentment towards this. Guys always being expected to make the first move and ask the girl out, be the initiators,or they say, men court women, etc.

What is the origin behind that you think?

It's probably the main thing or the number one thing I've always hated about being born the male gender, it's like why can't women go after men too right?

There are other things I resent about it to but I don't want to get too much deep into it but I might answer it as I reply to comments.

When people say "that's the way it is", makes me more mad and angry and only adds fuel to fire towards my resentment.

Some people say it's not always like this, and that the world is slowly changing about this.

But I mostly doubt and part of me thinks that it'll be this way for all eternity.

Then nut up. This is the game, such as it is, as you have acknowledged so play or sit on the sidelines but this whining is unattractive.

[Anonymous]

This is such a myth. Guys approach only after they have been given some small signal, a look, a smile, a nod, a slight touch.

[Anonymous]

OP’s least favorite part of the patriarchy is that he has to ask women on dates in order to get dates.

My least favorite part is the reality that the biggest threat to my safety and my daughter’s as women is men.

[Anonymous]

It feeds the ego of the woman. Who does not like that?

[Anonymous]

Men has a choice as there are so many women. Women have to take whatever is there and they'd rather not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such a myth. Guys approach only after they have been given some small signal, a look, a smile, a nod, a slight touch.

As a woman, it took me a bit of time to realize this.

[Anonymous]

You have an incredible chip on your shoulder. A veritable boulder. Women often smile at you and the pp is right, they give signals they want more. How hard is it to go up to women after that?!! If you aren't getting these signals, they aren't interested, and maybe that's your real problem.