No, shoplifting is not on the rise, nationally

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Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

So “crime is up only some places, not everywhere” is supposed to be a great campaign message for Democrats?

Fear about crime is greatly exaggerated is… especially since trying to stoke fear about crime was such a big loser in the election this month.

Even Fox has laid off the fear mongering since then.

Democrats are convincing nobody with the “you shouldn’t care about crime” line. It’s ridiculous spin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People aren’t reporting crimes like they used to because nobody will get arrested or prosecuted. Not rocket science, folks.

That’s what I am wondering as well. How many incidents are the police not called at all, and how many incidents are they called and make a report (for insurance purposes, I’m sure) but no one is arrested and it’s not even investigated? We can’t just blanket say “oh shoplifting is down or flat” if we’re just going on police data.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure why this is in off topic and not politics. But I live in the Baltimore suburbs and it's hard not to ignore the obvious decline in public standards and expectations around theft and shoplifting. The drug stores putting everything behind glass containers. The stories of the police not bothering to come out for reports of shoplifting or burglaries or porch thefts. The big increase in antisocial driving behaviors. When you see a lot of small quality of life incidents go unpunished and unpenalized and the police not doing anything about it because they've been told by their political masters not to do anything about it, it's really hard not to feel that social behaviors is fragmentizing and declining and pulling people apart.

I'm also increasingly skeptical of these article from NYT or WaPo or Atlantic or LATimes other usual liberal papers admonishing us everything is actually great and we're only racist/bigoted/sexist/whatever for thinking otherwise. Like Biden's ridiculously tone deaf statements on how Thanksgiving has never been cheaper when food bills have exploded in the last few years. I know it all comes down to heavily selective "facts".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

And let me guess, nothing to do with the noticeable increase in crime in DC in the last few years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

So, your left wing argument is that left wing cities are seeing crime go up so much that it cancels out decreases elsewhere?

And you think this will make people vote Democrat?

Good luck with that.

I initially thought s/he was a Republican.

That's my theory too. The OP is a RWNJ masquerading as a progressive, accusing everyone worried about crime of being a RWNJ in order to drive people toward Republican candidates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

Sure, but there were still over 900 carjackings in DC alone this year.

That’s not OK.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a flyover state and travel weekly to large cities, so yeah...out of control crime in other places IS my concern.

Really, boo? You're going to Target in the NYC hood?

You're easily frightened, aren't you?

Yes, actually. I work in/on/near airports and military bases, which aren't known for being in great neighborhoods. I'm not easily frightened, but I did grow up in Chicago, so I AM smart about crime. Unfortunately, sometimes you just need Advil at the local "hood Target", as you put it.

You sound like you live in a constant state of fear.

And you sound like you are in a constant state of denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

So “crime is up only some places, not everywhere” is supposed to be a great campaign message for Democrats?

Fear about crime is greatly exaggerated is… especially since trying to stoke fear about crime was such a big loser in the election this month.

Even Fox has laid off the fear mongering since then.

Democrats are convincing nobody with the “you shouldn’t care about crime” line. It’s ridiculous spin.

+1 No one is buying their BS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

Ignorance is bliss, right?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

So, your left wing argument is that left wing cities are seeing crime go up so much that it cancels out decreases elsewhere?

And you think this will make people vote Democrat?

Good luck with that.

I initially thought s/he was a Republican.

That's my theory too. The OP is a RWNJ masquerading as a progressive, accusing everyone worried about crime of being a RWNJ in order to drive people toward Republican candidates.

Too? I initially thought s/he was a Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

Ignorance is bliss, right?!

Thinking DC has been a hellscape for the last 30 years is a symptom of watching Fox News 24/7. It's definitely ignorance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

So “crime is up only some places, not everywhere” is supposed to be a great campaign message for Democrats?

Fear about crime is greatly exaggerated is… especially since trying to stoke fear about crime was such a big loser in the election this month.

Even Fox has laid off the fear mongering since then.

Democrats are convincing nobody with the “you shouldn’t care about crime” line. It’s ridiculous spin.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

Ignorance is bliss, right?!

Thinking DC has been a hellscape for the last 30 years is a symptom of watching Fox News 24/7. It's definitely ignorance

Ignorance is pretending that DC is a safe city that doesn't have rising crime. You're welcome to continue mocking your new family and pretending that DC is safe. It's a fantastic city in many ways; but if it were as safe as you pretend, the NYTimes wouldn't be sharing risi g crime facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to imagine someone trying to sell this to people.

New poster: trust me, Fox News is. I married into a family with relatives in FL and they're devoted Fox New watchers. As far as they're considered DC has been a hellscape the 30 years we've lived here. They couldn't believe we let our children Trick or Treat on the actual DC streets, etc. and make comments every time we see them about how awful it must be to live in such a dangerous place.

Ignorance is bliss, right?!

Thinking DC has been a hellscape for the last 30 years is a symptom of watching Fox News 24/7. It's definitely ignorance

Ignorance is pretending that DC is a safe city that doesn't have rising crime. You're welcome to continue mocking your new family and pretending that DC is safe. It's a fantastic city in many ways; but if it were as safe as you pretend, the NYTimes wouldn't be sharing risi g crime facts.

Reading is fundamental. I've been part of this family for 30 years! And, for 30 years they have considered DC a hellscape. Just because crime is on the rise now doesn't meanDC has been a hellscape for 30 years. And, I'm not mocking them. I worry that they get their information from Fox News which is clearly manipulating them