No, shoplifting is not on the rise, nationally

[Anonymous]

I live in a flyover state and, while I'm not Aunt Edna yet, crime in the city that's 25 minutes away is pretty high. It's demeaning to a whole swath of the country to imply that if we're in a flyover state, we don't know what crime is. Violent crime is a major problem in our area and it's not "I stole some concealer from Sephora" crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a flyover state and travel weekly to large cities, so yeah...out of control crime in other places IS my concern.

Really, boo? You're going to Target in the NYC hood?

You're easily frightened, aren't you?

You've apparently become accustomed to it and try to normalize theft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a flyover state and travel weekly to large cities, so yeah...out of control crime in other places IS my concern.

Really, boo? You're going to Target in the NYC hood?

You're easily frightened, aren't you?

You've apparently become accustomed to it and try to normalize theft.

[Anonymous]

The article I read specifically mentioned that DC is seeing increased crime and shoplifting (and because many national reporters and politicians are based here it amplifies it). I don't care if it is down nationally, I care about how it impacts me here in DC. I no longer go to the Tenley Target because so much is behind locked glass. I don't drive our better car much because carjackings are happening everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

So, your left wing argument is that left wing cities are seeing crime go up so much that it cancels out decreases elsewhere?

And you think this will make people vote Democrat?

Good luck with that.

I initially thought s/he was a Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two notes:

Washington, DC is not one of the cities included and it would be good to know why;

and

The amount of *violent* or *felony* attacks is actually up, which is going to matter to people a lot more than other types of crime.

NYT specifically mentioned DC is up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The article I read specifically mentioned that DC is seeing increased crime and shoplifting (and because many national reporters and politicians are based here it amplifies it). I don't care if it is down nationally, I care about how it impacts me here in DC. I no longer go to the Tenley Target because so much is behind locked glass. I don't drive our better car much because carjackings are happening everywhere.

Apples to oranges, PP. everything is behind glass at the Tenley Target because: minor crime is up.

But you won’t drive your better car to Tenley because: over 900 carjackings and counting, happened in DC.

Don’t you see there is a difference between minor and major crime? I swear, you MAGAs are so stupid and unintellectual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poor source, and outdated data. Here is the data directly from retailers:

"Retail crime, violence and theft continue to impact the retail industry at unprecedented levels. NRF’s National Retail Security Survey is an annual survey of retail loss prevention professionals capturing data about risks, threats and vulnerabilities, as well as forward-looking priorities.

This year’s study found that the average shrink rate in FY 2022 increased to 1.6%, up from 1.4% in FY 2021. When taken as a percentage of total retail sales in 2022, that shrink represents $112.1 billion in losses. "

https://nrf.com/research/national-retail-security-survey-2023

I feel as if $112,100,000,000 in losses, due to petty retail theft, is still a lot of money even in 2023.

Or am I just too sensitive?

[Anonymous]

112.1 billion dollars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article I read specifically mentioned that DC is seeing increased crime and shoplifting (and because many national reporters and politicians are based here it amplifies it). I don't care if it is down nationally, I care about how it impacts me here in DC. I no longer go to the Tenley Target because so much is behind locked glass. I don't drive our better car much because carjackings are happening everywhere.

Apples to oranges, PP. everything is behind glass at the Tenley Target because: minor crime is up.

But you won’t drive your better car to Tenley because: over 900 carjackings and counting, happened in DC.

Don’t you see there is a difference between minor and major crime? I swear, you MAGAs are so stupid and unintellectual.

You way over-generalize about people, which doesn't say much for your own intellect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

So “crime is up only some places, not everywhere” is supposed to be a great campaign message for Democrats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a flyover state and travel weekly to large cities, so yeah...out of control crime in other places IS my concern.

Really, boo? You're going to Target in the NYC hood?

You're easily frightened, aren't you?

You've apparently become accustomed to it and try to normalize theft.

No, boo. You’re trying to normalize irrational fear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Yes let’s just exclude the highest shoplifting city then we can see there’s actually no increase in crime

It’s truly a fool’s errand to try to convince people that crime doesn’t exist when it obviously does.

No one is saying that "crime doesn't exist." It exists everywhere--but not to the same degree in every single city or locality in this country of 340 million people. It is more precise to say "X [insert specific type of crime] has really increased in my neighborhood/community/city" than it is to say that crime--in general--has spiked everywhere at the same rate. Facts matter.

So “crime is up only some places, not everywhere” is supposed to be a great campaign message for Democrats?

Fear about crime is greatly exaggerated is… especially since trying to stoke fear about crime was such a big loser in the election this month.

Even Fox has laid off the fear mongering since then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a flyover state and travel weekly to large cities, so yeah...out of control crime in other places IS my concern.

Really, boo? You're going to Target in the NYC hood?

You're easily frightened, aren't you?

You've apparently become accustomed to it and try to normalize theft.

No, boo. You’re trying to normalize irrational fear.

DC’s murder rate is the highest in 20 years and there are regular carjackings & muggings on my block - when they were extremely rare when I moved here.