Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

[Anonymous]

My kid is applying with great grades and a somewhat unusual GREAT EC and 1490 SAT (so going TO) but I went there as did other family members. I'll keep you all posted, we are not optimistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Submit 1500 everywhere. It won’t be the reason your DC doesn’t get in if they don’t. Even for schools that say they still want scores, it’s generally weighted about 10-12% of the total application. At least according to my DC’s CCO.

I have never heard anyone indicate the test score is weighted that high. Jeff Selingo who writes extensively about college admissions cannot even answer the question with any real certainty.

It's weighted 2x what GPA is weighted in the Academic Index that many schools still use. And you're taking issue with 10 - 12%?

Huh? GPA and strength of transcript actually has been weighted at like 65% which is on the record.

Academic Index isn’t used much since everyone went TO. Your frame of reference is dated.

It's really odd how DCUM has at least a few very active posters who seem to be living in 2019. The world has changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit 1500 everywhere. It won’t be the reason your DC doesn’t get in if they don’t. Even for schools that say they still want scores, it’s generally weighted about 10-12% of the total application. At least according to my DC’s CCO.

I have never heard anyone indicate the test score is weighted that high. Jeff Selingo who writes extensively about college admissions cannot even answer the question with any real certainty.

It's weighted 2x what GPA is weighted in the Academic Index that many schools still use. And you're taking issue with 10 - 12%?

Huh? GPA and strength of transcript actually has been weighted at like 65% which is on the record.

Academic Index isn’t used much since everyone went TO. Your frame of reference is dated.

"on the record"

The GPA is comprised of a series of tests, and both the GPA and the strength of transcript are generally unreliable due to systemic grade inflation, the availability of makeup tests, extra credit assignments, full or partial credit for missed assignments, teacher incentives for classroom performance, etc.?

Why should we trust the GPA and the strength of transcript, but not the ACT / GPA scores (which are administered in a standardized environment free of any of the possible distortions listed above)?

OP, submit the 1500. As others have said, it won't disqualify your applicant in the evaluation process (either at a threshold stage, or during a full evaluation).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

It's not a great score, at least not for Duke. It's significantly below average. Can you explain for us why you think this score will help this applicant get in? She would have been better off putting her time and energy into coursework or ECs, rather than a test that is notorious for reflecting time and money spent on prep rather reflecting "aptitude " for college work

OP, listen to your counselor and give your kid at least a chance at getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit 1500 everywhere. It won’t be the reason your DC doesn’t get in if they don’t. Even for schools that say they still want scores, it’s generally weighted about 10-12% of the total application. At least according to my DC’s CCO.

I have never heard anyone indicate the test score is weighted that high. Jeff Selingo who writes extensively about college admissions cannot even answer the question with any real certainty.

It's weighted 2x what GPA is weighted in the Academic Index that many schools still use. And you're taking issue with 10 - 12%?

Huh? GPA and strength of transcript actually has been weighted at like 65% which is on the record.

Academic Index isn’t used much since everyone went TO. Your frame of reference is dated.

"on the record"

The GPA is comprised of a series of tests, and both the GPA and the strength of transcript are generally unreliable due to systemic grade inflation, the availability of makeup tests, extra credit assignments, full or partial credit for missed assignments, teacher incentives for classroom performance, etc.?

Why should we trust the GPA and the strength of transcript, but not the ACT / GPA scores (which are administered in a standardized environment free of any of the possible distortions listed above)?

OP, submit the 1500. As others have said, it won't disqualify your applicant in the evaluation process (either at a threshold stage, or during a full evaluation).

I think this worldview has been rejected by college admissions offices almost everywhere. Those days of SATs mattering much are over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit 1500 everywhere. It won’t be the reason your DC doesn’t get in if they don’t. Even for schools that say they still want scores, it’s generally weighted about 10-12% of the total application. At least according to my DC’s CCO.

I have never heard anyone indicate the test score is weighted that high. Jeff Selingo who writes extensively about college admissions cannot even answer the question with any real certainty.

It's weighted 2x what GPA is weighted in the Academic Index that many schools still use. And you're taking issue with 10 - 12%?

Huh? GPA and strength of transcript actually has been weighted at like 65% which is on the record.

Academic Index isn’t used much since everyone went TO. Your frame of reference is dated.

"on the record"

The GPA is comprised of a series of tests, and both the GPA and the strength of transcript are generally unreliable due to systemic grade inflation, the availability of makeup tests, extra credit assignments, full or partial credit for missed assignments, teacher incentives for classroom performance, etc.?

Why should we trust the GPA and the strength of transcript, but not the ACT / GPA scores (which are administered in a standardized environment free of any of the possible distortions listed above)?

OP, submit the 1500. As others have said, it won't disqualify your applicant in the evaluation process (either at a threshold stage, or during a full evaluation).

I don’t really care one way or the other…but the admissions reps that let Selingo sit in on their process told him on average GPA and strength of transcript were 65% of the decision. None attributed any particular percentage to SAT scores. This was prior to TO…but he is repeating his research this year and confirms it is the same.

[Anonymous]

Good lord, people, just footnote your post with your DC's PSAT, ACT and/or SAT scores if you're intent on downplaying these tests.

It's beyond obvious that your DC is a card-carrying member of the "bad test taker" brigade when you take this absurd position that tests don't matter (I mean, other than ALL of the tests that they take that make up one's GPA), so you might as well just give us some laughs if we have to endure your lectures on test validity.

* I'm not downplaying tests, so I'm not indicating my DC's test results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit 1500 everywhere. It won’t be the reason your DC doesn’t get in if they don’t. Even for schools that say they still want scores, it’s generally weighted about 10-12% of the total application. At least according to my DC’s CCO.

I have never heard anyone indicate the test score is weighted that high. Jeff Selingo who writes extensively about college admissions cannot even answer the question with any real certainty.

It's weighted 2x what GPA is weighted in the Academic Index that many schools still use. And you're taking issue with 10 - 12%?

Huh? GPA and strength of transcript actually has been weighted at like 65% which is on the record.

Academic Index isn’t used much since everyone went TO. Your frame of reference is dated.

"on the record"

The GPA is comprised of a series of tests, and both the GPA and the strength of transcript are generally unreliable due to systemic grade inflation, the availability of makeup tests, extra credit assignments, full or partial credit for missed assignments, teacher incentives for classroom performance, etc.?

Why should we trust the GPA and the strength of transcript, but not the ACT / GPA scores (which are administered in a standardized environment free of any of the possible distortions listed above)?

OP, submit the 1500. As others have said, it won't disqualify your applicant in the evaluation process (either at a threshold stage, or during a full evaluation).

I think this worldview has been rejected by college admissions offices almost everywhere. Those days of SATs mattering much are over.

What did your DC get? 1060? 1110?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

It's not a great score, at least not for Duke. It's significantly below average. Can you explain for us why you think this score will help this applicant get in? She would have been better off putting her time and energy into coursework or ECs, rather than a test that is notorious for reflecting time and money spent on prep rather reflecting "aptitude " for college work

OP, listen to your counselor and give your kid at least a chance at getting in.

Nobody has asked about the score breakdown. It is rather obvious if applying for STEM and the breakdown is 800 Math and 700 verbal, then of course you would submit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

It's not a great score, at least not for Duke. It's significantly below average. Can you explain for us why you think this score will help this applicant get in? She would have been better off putting her time and energy into coursework or ECs, rather than a test that is notorious for reflecting time and money spent on prep rather reflecting "aptitude " for college work

OP, listen to your counselor and give your kid at least a chance at getting in.

PP, what makes you think OP’s kid doesn’t have highly impressive coursework and EC’s? Maybe the 1500 is the “weakest” part of her app.

[Anonymous]

It's not a great score, not for Duke.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

It's not a great score, at least not for Duke. It's significantly below average. Can you explain for us why you think this score will help this applicant get in? She would have been better off putting her time and energy into coursework or ECs, rather than a test that is notorious for reflecting time and money spent on prep rather reflecting "aptitude " for college work

OP, listen to your counselor and give your kid at least a chance at getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submit. Shows you’re academically qualified.

Or it shows that, despite expensive tutors,coaches, and counselors, this kid isn't anywhere the median score.

Try Elon instead.

Exactly.

PP why so nasty? 1500 is a great score. If it's not high enough for Duke's top 25 percent then maybe the kid doesn't submit. But how do you know the Op's kid had expensive tutors? Stop being so bitter.
Good luck OP my unhooked kid with a 34 ACT got into two top 15 schools

It's not a great score, at least not for Duke. It's significantly below average. Can you explain for us why you think this score will help this applicant get in? She would have been better off putting her time and energy into coursework or ECs, rather than a test that is notorious for reflecting time and money spent on prep rather reflecting "aptitude " for college work

OP, listen to your counselor and give your kid at least a chance at getting in.

PP, what makes you think OP’s kid doesn’t have highly impressive coursework and EC’s? Maybe the 1500 is the “weakest” part of her app.

That would be even more reason not to submit the score. Why would it be a good idea to ask Duke to drag down their average score by submitting a subpar score?

[Anonymous]

Our 1550 was rejected regular decision with score submitted. Early decision probably better chance but that time has passed.

Want to submit, sure. Likely rejected either way with regular admission rate 4-6 percent. You never know though. Admissions game has some amount of crapshoot. Good essay, reader in a good mood, who knows

[Anonymous]

1500 a a great score. With otherwise identical profiles the one with the 1500 attached will do better than the one that is test optional.

If you fall for the trolls here you are a fool