Trump wins over Biden in NBC poll for the first time, as president’s approval craters to new low

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are sick and tired of mass illegal immigration and Biden’s insane open borders policies. Biden and the democrats have allowed crime to explode and criminals to have free rein.

Lol, and Biden lied to you all about student loans. Liberals also hate how he supports Israel. And everyone hates how old he is. No one wants a gerontocracy except boomers and the silent generation.


But first and foremost is the inanity of our open borders.

Two wars and massive inflation don't help either.

No American soldiers have died and inflation is trending down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are sick and tired of mass illegal immigration and Biden’s insane open borders policies. Biden and the democrats have allowed crime to explode and criminals to have free rein.

Lol, and Biden lied to you all about student loans. Liberals also hate how he supports Israel. And everyone hates how old he is. No one wants a gerontocracy except boomers and the silent generation.


But first and foremost is the inanity of our open borders.

Two wars and massive inflation don't help either.

No American soldiers have died and inflation is trending down.

13 soldiers were killed during the evacuation. Super offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are sick and tired of mass illegal immigration and Biden’s insane open borders policies. Biden and the democrats have allowed crime to explode and criminals to have free rein.

Lol, and Biden lied to you all about student loans. Liberals also hate how he supports Israel. And everyone hates how old he is. No one wants a gerontocracy except boomers and the silent generation.


But first and foremost is the inanity of our open borders.

Two wars and massive inflation don't help either.

No American soldiers have died and inflation is trending down.

The effects are still locked in. Rates of 4.7% and 8% are still felt if the rate drops to 3% in the following year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are sick and tired of mass illegal immigration and Biden’s insane open borders policies. Biden and the democrats have allowed crime to explode and criminals to have free rein.

Lol, and Biden lied to you all about student loans. Liberals also hate how he supports Israel. And everyone hates how old he is. No one wants a gerontocracy except boomers and the silent generation.


But first and foremost is the inanity of our open borders.

Two wars and massive inflation don't help either.

No American soldiers have died and inflation is trending down.

13 soldiers were killed during the evacuation. Super offensive.

Calling them suckers and losers is what is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally I love biden. Don’t think there’s anyone younger and more capable out there at the moment.

If a bunch of ignorant snowflakes are whining about how hard we are on Hamas and osama bin Laden, let them vote for trump. They’ll reap what they sow.

Any US Presidential candidate who is pro Israel will now lose. Being pro Israel is now a liability. This is what happens when you support a rogue terrorist state like Israel.

What happens when both candidates are pro-Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are sick and tired of mass illegal immigration and Biden’s insane open borders policies. Biden and the democrats have allowed crime to explode and criminals to have free rein.

Lol, and Biden lied to you all about student loans. Liberals also hate how he supports Israel. And everyone hates how old he is. No one wants a gerontocracy except boomers and the silent generation.


But first and foremost is the inanity of our open borders.

You make him sound so terrible and yet you continue to support the idiot he managed to beat by millions of votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

Most things cost substantially more today than they did when Biden was inaugurated and wages have not kept pace. You can try to explain it away but anyone who goes grocery shopping knows it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

Biden was beating Trump by as many as 17 points in mainstream polls in October and November of 2019. It was so bad for Trump in the polls in the 2020 race that Biden was winning almost every single poll taken, and many by double digits. Don’t believe me, look at the data:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls

To be so cocky about Biden winning when he A) he is consistently losing in this election cycle’s polls and B) Trump overperformed in 2016 and 2020 compared to the polls is foolhardy or an act of willful delusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

Most things cost substantially more today than they did when Biden was inaugurated and wages have not kept pace. You can try to explain it away but anyone who goes grocery shopping knows it.

It sounds like you think the president just decides that things should cost more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

Most things cost substantially more today than they did when Biden was inaugurated and wages have not kept pace. You can try to explain it away but anyone who goes grocery shopping knows it.

It sounds like you think the president just decides that things should cost more.

If you choose to spend trillions of dollars AFTER the pandemic is over you certainly are saying you want things should cost more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally I love biden. Don’t think there’s anyone younger and more capable out there at the moment.

If a bunch of ignorant snowflakes are whining about how hard we are on Hamas and osama bin Laden, let them vote for trump. They’ll reap what they sow.

Any US Presidential candidate who is pro Israel will now lose. Being pro Israel is now a liability. This is what happens when you support a rogue terrorist state like Israel.

What happens when both candidates are pro-Israel?

Will not happen. Israel was an issue where the vast majority of voters(like 95%) did not care and very small number cared a lot. It was a very safe issues. Add in the lobbying organizations under the coordination of the Israel government and US politicians could be pro Israel. A pro Israel politician would receive some donations, public praise in the media/fundraising and no blow back. Notice they did not receive more votes because Israel was not an issue that drove voting. It was an issue that did not cost you anything.

That last part is very important. No blow back or negative impact because the the vast majority did not care, follow Israel issues nor want to know. Now that has changed. Biden had a 15-20% hit in his polls because of his unconditional support of Israel. Biden and Israel’s actions are inseparable. Any candidate running for president will see what happened to Biden and adjust.

The republicans side is a sh#t show and the underlying issues with with Israel will bubble up from the dark under belly of the base. You can already hear what they are saying. It’s just a matter of time before republicans turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

Most things cost substantially more today than they did when Biden was inaugurated and wages have not kept pace. You can try to explain it away but anyone who goes grocery shopping knows it.

It sounds like you think the president just decides that things should cost more.

Rounds of stimulus checks followed by $1 trillion in infrastructure spending as inflation was rising. Economists were screaming that it was inflationary, but the administration argued that inflation was transitory. Everyone not invested in build back better passing saw this coming and said so at the time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone didn't learn from 2016 polls that polls are not always accurate.

Polls have also shown that the incumbent POTUS can be behind and still win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/politics/biden-trump-election-presidents-polling.html

+1

For the incumbent president to lose, you’d need a *major* economic, foreign policy or domestic crisis. And probably a combination of at least two. GDP is strong, the unemployment rate is low and inflation is trending downward. Nobody has to wear masks at the grocery store any more. And say what you will about Ukraine and Israel, but not one American soldier has died in those conflicts. From that vantage point, Biden is going to be very hard to beat.

Have you been living under a rock? We have had this already with Biden’s inflation exploding costs for everything.

Inflation’s going down, my friend. I know that makes you sad but it’s the reality.

It's blatantly obvious you don't understand the concept of inflation. The funny thing is that when inflation is going down, there is still inflation. The difference is that instead of, say, 10% inflation, it's "only" 5% inflation. But it means while inflation may be going down, costs are still going up. Inflation going down does not mean costs/prices going down. And that's it in a nutshell.

Why is it relevant? Because the vast majority of households have seen real declines in their buying power over the last few years. The vast majority of people have not seen salary increases to keep up with inflation. Even if your salary went up 10% over the last two years, the real buying power of that salary has fallen noticeably despite that 10% increase.

Which is why Biden is polling so badly on the economic topic and so many people saying Biden's policies have specifically hurt them. The massive federal spending absolutely fueled inflation. It wasn't the only factor but it was a major factor in inflation. It's classic Economics 101, flooding the economy with money always leads to inflation.