Elders sometimes become abusive toward those they were closest to, so please don't insert yourself

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Anonymous wrote: I feel like this isn't discussed enough. As I dealt with abusive year after year I felt crazy. So many people just adore my mother and they saw we had a good relationship at one point. (We had a good relationship because I accepted the concerning qualities and tried to focus on the good ones. The good ones faded and now she is downright abusive.) She still can turn it on for others-occasionally slips and it scares people, but mostly can hold it together. I want her to enjoy other people. I distanced myself so avoid further damage, but I want her to feel loved. Sadly a lot of that love comes from people seeking financial gain, but that's another story.

It is not anyone's place to insert themselves and try to guilt trip, or push an adult child to be closer to someone when they don't know what has gone on behind closed doors. I regret every second of emotional and verbal abuse my children and husband witnessed, and they saw the most benign of it. The worst of it was before I stopped ever being along.

I get that people are well-meaning and just want to see family harmony. I understand people cannot fathom what a monster another person can be to family, even if they saw glimpses, they go into denial. However, as long as the person is well cared for-and my mother is by strangers who are trained to work with her even if she gets snippy (nothing like she is with me) ...as long as the person is cared for-stay out it.

It is such a horrid feeling to have someone try to push you back to something that was destructive. It is even worse when you share the truth and are not believed. I wish we talked about this more and people understood, if someone breaks away, there is a reason. I spent many years in therapy to stop the abuse from happening. I finally found the only way to stop it was to distance myself. it's amazing how a person trying to do the right thing gets dehumanized and a person who abuses with abandon, gets put on a pedestal. (And it was happening before early dementia set in).

Anyone relate?


Yes, I can relate.

I estranged myself from my abusive parents when I reached age 30 - I just couldn't take anymore of what had been three decades of physical abuse, psychological abuse and sexual abuse from my father in my early childhood. I was very low key about the estrangement and didn't say anything but basics to other family, keeping the details to myself as I'd been conditioned (beaten into submission) to do from early childhood.

My narcissistic abusive mother, obviously obsessed with her perception that her veneer of a perfect family was eroded, invested much time in writing long letters to family members describing what an awful, difficult, messed up child I'd always been from day one - never mind that she'd always praised me publicly over my many achievements and I had no reputation for bad behavior and by this point had earned four university degrees including one from elite law school so nobody in the family who knew me well gave any credence to the letters and allegations.

Except one cousin (my favorite cousin early childhood), who is so deluded about my parents she believed the sudden allegations that I was secretly a terrible ungrateful child and she berated me at every opportunity for almost two decades over my estrangement from my parents, until I finally told her to F off and never contact me again.

Over the last few years since I blocked her and told her to never contact me, I've considered writing her a letter explaining to her that my two narcissistic parents had for decades called her and her mother adulterous whores behind their backs; that they'd referred to my cousin as my uncle's little bastard - maybe! (they questioned her parentage for decades claiming her mother got around so much she could be anybody's kid, etc. - pre-DNA era) in her early childhood and then when she got knocked up by a married man at 19 they'd trashed her endlessly for being the apple that fell straight down from the tree, an adulterous whore who steals other women's husbands; that for years when I'd begged my parents to bring my cousin to visit us after we moved several states away they'd told me she was trash and not worth the investment of funds, etc.

Basically, my narcissistic parents were incapable of loving their own kids much less this cousin who adores them and thinks they love her too because they've patted her on the head and been nice to her face on a half dozen, dozen at most occasions over 4 decades that they've even spent time with her (we have always lived several states apart). Part of me that is rigidly adherent to truth at this stage of life wants to spill the beans to my cousin, so she can know that she threw away a cousin who loved her for an auntie and uncle who laughed at her and mocked her behind her back for decades. But the bigger part of me says, what's the point?

She aligned herself with abusers - and she knew enough from my siblings to know that my parents were far from perfect, but didn't want to hear anything from me about what they'd inflicted on me growing up - so we aren't suited by matter of core values to have a close relationship anyway, there is nothing to salvage. If I told her the truth, I'd simply be blowing up one of her cherished delusions that helps her navigate her life. Her biological father, my uncle, died of cancer when she was six weeks old - after having blown up his life and marriage over his fling with her mother, a late teens/early twenties barmaid. Then her mother died of cancer when my cousin was only in her mid 20s. (My narcissistic mother, by the way, considers both of these early deaths to be karma for their infidelity - I'm telling you, my mom was a gem!) So my cousin looked to my parents, who she barely knew, as some kind of lifeline/connection to her dead parents and she doesn't want to hear about how my drunken raging violent father routinely raped his wife and beat her and his children, fingered his toddler daughter while reading her little golden books after drinking all night at the bar, raised his son to be an abusive narcissist who routinely abused his siblings and pimped his sister to his high school friends (I lost my virginity at age 14 to one of my older brother's high school friends who date raped me to win a bet with my brother over which of his friends could deflower me first), etc.

Wow that's a rant but it felt good to purge it. Should I write my cousin a letter telling her these and all the other ugly truths? Or let her keep thinking that auntie and uncle loved her?


Someone with a somewhat similar situation -- I don't want to spoil someone's image, what's the point.
Seeing you write this is healing for me because I think, strongly, you should do what is good for YOU, even if less convenient or nice for others.
I almost never post here, but had to say it. My therapist would be proud of my writing this.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One doesn't have to be a narc to be a crappy parent. Let's face it: mental health was never talked about just a few decades ago and whatever happened in the family, stayed in the family. Maybe 30 years from now things will be different, but what is happening now is certainly healthier than what people had to put up with. If we can do better, why not try? In reality, the only people who love dysfunction in the families are the ones who drive that dysfunction. I'm happy I realized (quite early on) I want to live differently, be a different parent, and I'm not sorry for it. I'm sure my kids will have something to complain about, but I can tell you, they will not be complaining about the things I had to deal with. As far as reading is concerned, why not? It's living in a fantasy world. There are other ways to dissociate, playing video games for example. I would not doubt there may be some truth to it.

I know better and do better than my parents. This forum has become a circlejerk for people who diagnose and judge elders with no mercy and based on TikTok psychology. It’s sick. I know generational trauma and violence, and there are times when “NC” is warranted. But it’s become a default for people who didn’t get what they think was perfect parenting. And the ones who screech the loudest and hurt their vulnerable parent will be the ones screeching for inheritance as well. If you’re so healthy with these NC relationships, why are you all constantly bemoaning it in here. Go be happy.

You need a separate forum so those of us who actually want to care for elders can have normal conversations that don’t immediately get derailed into this cult like behavior


There are numerous other forums where people think like you. Why aren't you on those sites GrandmaBigPants? It's because you live to scold and tell people they are wrong. I can very well imagine what you are like irl.

IRL I am the one people seek out for help, not the spiteful, vengeful one who can never see beyond my own trauma. Why am I here? We used to have good discussions. I’m hoping it comes back. “Where people think like me.” How is that exactly? That NC should not be taken lightly? That’s so unreasonable? I’ll bet I could recognize you irl too. You’re the line cutter, the one who believes everything good in your life is because you earned it but everything bad is someone else’s fault. You’re the Nextdoor poster who can’t tell a drunk, lost, college kid from a burglar.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP and wanted to add that I never had a need for DCUM or similar anonymous exchange of thoughts until the last elder.


Yes. I am happily married, but didn’t judge those who vented about bad marriages. Have a good relationship with my kids, but know I am fortunate and didn’t judge those with major struggles. Elderly issues finally did me in after enough years and yes, abuse and there is always that person who tries to guilt, shame, insult, minimize who just can’t resist posting. They either cannot fathom anyone could be abusive and you must be dramatic or the person is a martyr who feels other must endure and cannot fathom alternatives. They step onto their soapbox and it’s all extreme and reactive.
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