New NBER paper: White Flight from Asian Immigration: Evidence from California Public Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I’ve noticed that the Asian parents at my school try super hard to be accepted by whites families but treat other minority families as though they are invisible.

Can you elaborate on this quote? At least tell us which school? While I do not claim speak for all Asians, none of my circle care one bit about being accepted by whites (or any other race) for the sake of whiteness. It doesn't even register.

I am tired of being asked "Where are you really from?", though. Stop that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

No - because due to poverty and the creation of ethnic ghettos, I recognize this does happen. Those areas are literally almost
100% Latino and those signs are in Spanish in order to communicate with the only constituency that lives there. In the example I gave of Asians, they may make up a strong 40% of an upper middle class neighborhood and will start throwing up store front signs in their language. This is to invite their own in and to keep the rest of us out. The neighborhood is NOT theirs to do that with. It’s rude, insular and exclusionary.

Most adult immigrants are ESL, and many of them will always be more comfortable in their native language. I see nothing wrong with providing a service to those who need it.

Many of those business owners are ESL as well. They would be at a disadvantage competing against native English speakers for native English speaking clients. I'm sure they wouldn't turn you away, but how likely would you be to use their services? Would you really want to work with an ESL accountant when there are other options? You might be an exception but many people would go someplace else.

Why not turn your weakness into a selling point? Just seems like good business sense. But for some reason that's unacceptable to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Check out these high schools in MCPS:
-Wootton HS 38% Asian, 36% white https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf
-Poolesville: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04152.pdf
-Clarksburg HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04249.pdf
-Northwest HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

Of the 4 schools you linked, only in Wootton do Asians have a plurality, and none are majority Asian. If the other 3 are those that are closest, you've proves PP's point better than they could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle.

Good for them, you sound pretty racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Check out these high schools in MCPS:
-Wootton HS 38% Asian, 36% white https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf
-Poolesville: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04152.pdf
-Clarksburg HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04249.pdf
-Northwest HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

Of the 4 schools you linked, only in Wootton do Asians have a plurality, and none are majority Asian. If the other 3 are those that are closest, you've proves PP's point better than they could.

The ones below Wootton are within a couple percentage points of being the majority. Proving a point that TJ is not an anomaly and demographics are changing at other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Check out these high schools in MCPS:
-Wootton HS 38% Asian, 36% white https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf
-Poolesville: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04152.pdf
-Clarksburg HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04249.pdf
-Northwest HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

Of the 4 schools you linked, only in Wootton do Asians have a plurality, and none are majority Asian. If the other 3 are those that are closest, you've proves PP's point better than they could.

The ones below Wootton are within a couple percentage points of being the majority. Proving a point that TJ is not an anomaly and demographics are changing at other schools.

Having clicked through, I don’t think you know what the word “majority” means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster. It is absolutely a thing and it’s not as simple as “we are afraid of the competition”.
Imagine you are an athlete and you enjoy your sport at a recreational level and have no desire to train for the Olympics. Suddenly the whole stadium is inundated by those practicing day and night and training like they are about to try out for the Olympics. You are pushed to the side and you have no place on the track anymore.
This is what’s happening. I don’t want my kid to study day and night and jump under a train due to stress.
When typical Asian culture parents arrive en masse they just ruin the vibe. I am not being racist here - I would say the same thing if the so called white trash suddenly decided to descend on a typical white UMC district.
Fwiw I am white but not UMC.

good to know you equate Asian American immigrants with white trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

No - because due to poverty and the creation of ethnic ghettos, I recognize this does happen. Those areas are literally almost
100% Latino and those signs are in Spanish in order to communicate with the only constituency that lives there. In the example I gave of Asians, they may make up a strong 40% of an upper middle class neighborhood and will start throwing up store front signs in their language. This is to invite their own in and to keep the rest of us out. The neighborhood is NOT theirs to do that with. It’s rude, insular and exclusionary.

? do they tell you that you cannot come into the stores because you are not Asian? Why isn't it their neighborhood? Is the neighborhood only for white people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Check out these high schools in MCPS:
-Wootton HS 38% Asian, 36% white https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf
-Poolesville: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04152.pdf
-Clarksburg HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04249.pdf
-Northwest HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

Of the 4 schools you linked, only in Wootton do Asians have a plurality, and none are majority Asian. If the other 3 are those that are closest, you've proves PP's point better than they could.

The ones below Wootton are within a couple percentage points of being the majority. Proving a point that TJ is not an anomaly and demographics are changing at other schools.

Having clicked through, I don’t think you know what the word “majority” means.

+1 I think to some people, even 30% is just too many. "How dare they. This is our country and our schools, meaning us white people."

[Anonymous]

I'm Asian American. I worked with an older white guy way back in the 90s. They lived in a very expensive area. Very white. All of a sudden, more Asian Americans started to move into the area. He had a HSer at the time, and he said to me that when those Asian kids started coming into the schools, they started to raise the curve really high. He was not upset about it. Quite frankly, he was blown away at how smart those kids were, and he said his kid had to up his game, academically.

And yes, it was in SoCal.

Today, if I look at the demographics of that HS, there are a lot of Asians now. When I was growing up, that HS was very white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Asian American. I worked with an older white guy way back in the 90s. They lived in a very expensive area. Very white. All of a sudden, more Asian Americans started to move into the area. He had a HSer at the time, and he said to me that when those Asian kids started coming into the schools, they started to raise the curve really high. He was not upset about it. Quite frankly, he was blown away at how smart those kids were, and he said his kid had to up his game, academically.

And yes, it was in SoCal.

Today, if I look at the demographics of that HS, there are a lot of Asians now. When I was growing up, that HS was very white.

I’m asian myself and it bothers me when people call Asians smart. Are they smarter than other races? I don’t think so. Yes, they are often hardworking and good at academics. And culturally there is an obsession on prioritizing school.

[Anonymous]

I think the problem is that there is a failure to assimilate. I’d you look at other demographic groups, they assimilate. Asians bring their culture and want it to permeate the school, neighborhood, everything. Why is it that most schools with high Asian enrollment insist that the ENTIRE school has to celebrate Chinese New Year? We don’t care. Do we celebrate every other culture’s holiday? I don’t want my kids celebrating the culture of a race that thinks my children are inferior to them. I always pull my kids out on those days and other parents are starting to do the same too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Asian American. I worked with an older white guy way back in the 90s. They lived in a very expensive area. Very white. All of a sudden, more Asian Americans started to move into the area. He had a HSer at the time, and he said to me that when those Asian kids started coming into the schools, they started to raise the curve really high. He was not upset about it. Quite frankly, he was blown away at how smart those kids were, and he said his kid had to up his game, academically.

And yes, it was in SoCal.

Today, if I look at the demographics of that HS, there are a lot of Asians now. When I was growing up, that HS was very white.

I’m asian myself and it bothers me when people call Asians smart. Are they smarter than other races? I don’t think so. Yes, they are often hardworking and good at academics. And culturally there is an obsession on prioritizing school.

They aren’t smarter if they have to spend so much time studying or tutoring to get ahead. If they were inherently smart they wouldn’t have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Sign on the storefront" type blaming is what leads for many immigrant kids to see their language and heritage as a barrier.

It's true though. There should be no way I am driving around my neighborhood full of $1million homes in the U.S. and all the writing on the stores in the strip malls are written in Chinese; every nail shop and even the Greek restaurant was owned and run by Chinese between that and all of the Chinese grocery stores popping up, I'd had my fill.

Omg I hope you aren’t anyone I know, but you probably are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there is a failure to assimilate. I’d you look at other demographic groups, they assimilate. Asians bring their culture and want it to permeate the school, neighborhood, everything. Why is it that most schools with high Asian enrollment insist that the ENTIRE school has to celebrate Chinese New Year? We don’t care. Do we celebrate every other culture’s holiday? I don’t want my kids celebrating the culture of a race that thinks my children are inferior to them. I always pull my kids out on those days and other parents are starting to do the same too.

The children of immigrants tend to assimilate reasonably well. It's the first gen immigrants themselves that assimilate more slowly, but that's true of most immigrants. I do not see much evidence that Latino immigrants assimilate particularly quickly either. They have their own subcultures just like the various Asian groups do. You seem to dislike Asians in particular for some reason.