New NBER paper: White Flight from Asian Immigration: Evidence from California Public Schools

[Anonymous]

New poster. It is absolutely a thing and it’s not as simple as “we are afraid of the competition”.
Imagine you are an athlete and you enjoy your sport at a recreational level and have no desire to train for the Olympics. Suddenly the whole stadium is inundated by those practicing day and night and training like they are about to try out for the Olympics. You are pushed to the side and you have no place on the track anymore.
This is what’s happening. I don’t want my kid to study day and night and jump under a train due to stress.
When typical Asian culture parents arrive en masse they just ruin the vibe. I am not being racist here - I would say the same thing if the so called white trash suddenly decided to descend on a typical white UMC district.
Fwiw I am white but not UMC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster. It is absolutely a thing and it’s not as simple as “we are afraid of the competition”.
Imagine you are an athlete and you enjoy your sport at a recreational level and have no desire to train for the Olympics. Suddenly the whole stadium is inundated by those practicing day and night and training like they are about to try out for the Olympics. You are pushed to the side and you have no place on the track anymore.
This is what’s happening. I don’t want my kid to study day and night and jump under a train due to stress.
When typical Asian culture parents arrive en masse they just ruin the vibe. I am not being racist here - I would say the same thing if the so called white trash suddenly decided to descend on a typical white UMC district.
Fwiw I am white but not UMC.

I agree and FWIW, most immigrants who come here legally are the same way - i.e., African and Caribbean to name a few comparators. However, U.S. immigration severely limits the number of these immigrants versus Asian immigrants. So due to their numbers, Asian immigrants are able to influence the culture within a school in a more impactful way. It's not a matter of Asians being "naturally smarter." Virtually any student without any learning difficulties will advance leaps and bounds if they study day and night and on weekends. This playbook isn't rocket science. But I ABSOLUTELY do not want that for my child - I want him to be well rounded, whether that means playing a sport he loves (not just playing a sport to appease college admissions counselors), being involved in theatre or volunteering in some capacity as long as he is passionate about it.

I don't like that this culture permeates the entire school system and changes everything. I don't want to live in China - therefore, I don't want to live how Chinese people live. However, once you are outnumbered, what you can you do? Unfortunately, I am zoned for Wootton, where as a PP noted, Asians make up 38% of the school and it is a complete pressure cooker and the Asians there are extremely insular. During the pandemic, I moved my child to private school for in person learning. And honestly, the education at our private school is far more superior to what we were receiving in public and we had to do some catch up. We are fine now and plan to stay through high school. However, one upside I've noticed is that because Asians move to this area specifically for the public schools, they generally refuse to pay for private school, so the culture at our private school continues to focus on the whole child, so not just academics but sports and arts, as well. It reminds me a lot of my private school experience growing up abroad and I'm happy I can afford this for my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle. I'm from Cali and experienced this. Eventually all of the strip malls had Chinese writing on all of the store front signs. I could not read them and no, I have no interest in learning Chinese. It felt like I was living in China, which I would never want to even want to visit and I have traveled all over the world. So we left. It had nothing to do with academics. Most whites in areas like this area already well off, so they aren't necessarily relying on good grades and hard work for opportunities - our kids will have that anyway so we don't have the desperate "we have to make it here or else" mentality like the Asians do. It's just the feeling like my neighborhood started to feel like it wasn't America anymore and I didn't like that.

Hispanics do stick together and they are nice to you but you won’t ever be part of their circle. My son went to a majority Hispanic school and it was very apparent that there were the Spanish speaking families and then the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Specifically in CA you are between a rock and a hard place because so many districts are either majority Asian or majority Hispanic. I am lucky to live in a fairly balanced district but feel like the traditional US school culture is being squeezed out from both ends.

[Anonymous]

Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle. I'm from Cali and experienced this. Eventually all of the strip malls had Chinese writing on all of the store front signs. I could not read them and no, I have no interest in learning Chinese. It felt like I was living in China, which I would never want to even want to visit and I have traveled all over the world. So we left. It had nothing to do with academics. Most whites in areas like this area already well off, so they aren't necessarily relying on good grades and hard work for opportunities - our kids will have that anyway so we don't have the desperate "we have to make it here or else" mentality like the Asians do. It's just the feeling like my neighborhood started to feel like it wasn't America anymore and I didn't like that.

Hispanics do stick together and they are nice to you but you won’t ever be part of their circle. My son went to a majority Hispanic school and it was very apparent that there were the Spanish speaking families and then the rest of us.

You are responding to me. I spent a significant part of my childhood in Los Angeles where the majority of students were Hispanic and had a totally different experience. Most of my friends then were Hispanic and my closest friend even today is as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

No - because due to poverty and the creation of ethnic ghettos, I recognize this does happen. Those areas are literally almost
100% Latino and those signs are in Spanish in order to communicate with the only constituency that lives there. In the example I gave of Asians, they may make up a strong 40% of an upper middle class neighborhood and will start throwing up store front signs in their language. This is to invite their own in and to keep the rest of us out. The neighborhood is NOT theirs to do that with. It’s rude, insular and exclusionary.

[Anonymous]

Its their children's loss, with world becoming a small village due to communication and travel becoming easy, kids need diversity and competition. Being around differently thinking kids help each other find different solutions for different problems. With colleges moving away from ranking, Little Johnny or Lin or Sunjay doesn't need to be in top 10% but they need to learn to perform at top 10%. Diversity isn't about looks or languages or food, kids learn and teach each other a lot more.

[Anonymous]

Lol minority owned businesses don't use tgeir language to exclude non speaker but to seek speakers who are more likely to give them business. People who've not been minority or immigrant in hundred years or more are unlikely to understand plights of one who does that.

[Anonymous]

All you people making comments about “Asians” need to realize how many cultures are swept up in that one group.

You also need to realize that people who look “Asian” do not necessarily share these stereotypical views and stop assuming they do. The attitudes described here are found in the immigrant parents, not subsequent generations. I am of “Asian” origin but born in America and am not a tiger parent at all but I have been judged and excluded by UMC white parents my whole time as a parent. Remember brown people can be American, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its their children's loss, with world becoming a small village due to communication and travel becoming easy, kids need diversity and competition. Being around differently thinking kids help each other find different solutions for different problems. With colleges moving away from ranking, Little Johnny or Lin or Sunjay doesn't need to be in top 10% but they need to learn to perform at top 10%. Diversity isn't about looks or languages or food, kids learn and teach each other a lot more.

Well said. People miss this. I am a high ranking supervisory attorney in the federal government. I can always tell when my “impressive” academic candidates are not comfortable with people who do not look like them. I do not hire them regardless of how high their GPA is. The candidates are usually white. I would rather hire a white or Asian kid from Brooklyn with a decent GPA and some hustle than one of the perfect GPA stars who has never had a friend who didn’t look like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you people making comments about “Asians” need to realize how many cultures are swept up in that one group.

You also need to realize that people who look “Asian” do not necessarily share these stereotypical views and stop assuming they do. The attitudes described here are found in the immigrant parents, not subsequent generations. I am of “Asian” origin but born in America and am not a tiger parent at all but I have been judged and excluded by UMC white parents my whole time as a parent. Remember brown people can be American, too.

So you present as Asian can I ask why it bothers you that the white UMC people don’t accept you? Does it similarly bother you that you are not socially accepted by other minority groups - ie, Latino or Blacks? I’ve noticed that the Asian parents at my school try super hard to be accepted by whites families but treat other minority families as though they are invisible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you people making comments about “Asians” need to realize how many cultures are swept up in that one group.

You also need to realize that people who look “Asian” do not necessarily share these stereotypical views and stop assuming they do. The attitudes described here are found in the immigrant parents, not subsequent generations. I am of “Asian” origin but born in America and am not a tiger parent at all but I have been judged and excluded by UMC white parents my whole time as a parent. Remember brown people can be American, too.

So you present as Asian can I ask why it bothers you that the white UMC people don’t accept you? Does it similarly bother you that you are not socially accepted by other minority groups - ie, Latino or Blacks? I’ve noticed that the Asian parents at my school try super hard to be accepted by whites families but treat other minority families as though they are invisible.

I reference them because they are by far the majority in our school pyramid and are the focus of this whole thread. Thank you for fully missing the point and trying to blame me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle. I'm from Cali and experienced this. Eventually all of the strip malls had Chinese writing on all of the store front signs. I could not read them and no, I have no interest in learning Chinese. It felt like I was living in China, which I would never want to even want to visit and I have traveled all over the world. So we left. It had nothing to do with academics. Most whites in areas like this area already well off, so they aren't necessarily relying on good grades and hard work for opportunities - our kids will have that anyway so we don't have the desperate "we have to make it here or else" mentality like the Asians do. It's just the feeling like my neighborhood started to feel like it wasn't America anymore and I didn't like that.

yes, they rely on legacy and the good ol' boys network, or the color of their skin to open more doors.

And the white ^PP wonders why Asians rely so much on education.