New NBER paper: White Flight from Asian Immigration: Evidence from California Public Schools

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Asian American. I worked with an older white guy way back in the 90s. They lived in a very expensive area. Very white. All of a sudden, more Asian Americans started to move into the area. He had a HSer at the time, and he said to me that when those Asian kids started coming into the schools, they started to raise the curve really high. He was not upset about it. Quite frankly, he was blown away at how smart those kids were, and he said his kid had to up his game, academically.

And yes, it was in SoCal.

Today, if I look at the demographics of that HS, there are a lot of Asians now. When I was growing up, that HS was very white.

I’m asian myself and it bothers me when people call Asians smart. Are they smarter than other races? I don’t think so. Yes, they are often hardworking and good at academics. And culturally there is an obsession on prioritizing school.

They aren’t smarter if they have to spend so much time studying or tutoring to get ahead. If they were inherently smart they wouldn’t have to.

Right!! Say it for the people in the back.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

No - because due to poverty and the creation of ethnic ghettos, I recognize this does happen. Those areas are literally almost
100% Latino and those signs are in Spanish in order to communicate with the only constituency that lives there. In the example I gave of Asians, they may make up a strong 40% of an upper middle class neighborhood and will start throwing up store front signs in their language. This is to invite their own in and to keep the rest of us out. The neighborhood is NOT theirs to do that with. It’s rude, insular and exclusionary.

? do they tell you that you cannot come into the stores because you are not Asian? Why isn't it their neighborhood? Is the neighborhood only for white people?

Well, if I CAN'T read your sign because you wrote it in another language, knowing FULL well you are a minority percentage in my neighborhood, clearly you don't WANT me to read it. In turn, I don't want whatever it is that you're hawking. Seems fair to me. And I don't buy the argument that that's the only language they speak and that's why they do it. There is messaging to the community that occurs when that signage goes up - it says, "We only want to serve our own." And so you shall. Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks good to me. Bye, racists and xenophobes clinging to dwindling class privilege.

Unfortunately those most comfortable living around the diversity, are the ones who express their racism later by pushing equity initiatives that take away opportunities from Asians.

Asians don't need equity initiatives, because employers hire will workers who generate substantially more monetizable value. The children of privilege will spend down their inheritance and fade so irrelevance.
Progressive Asians support Hewitt initiatives out of a sense of moral concern for Black people, not.for their own needs.

They will take away advanced classes in schools in the name of equity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about indians? Cause most whites are ok with the rest of asia

Not exactly. Just reread this thread. You have posters directly naming Chinese immigrants. I'd imagine the same would be said of Koreans.

Ultimately, it's a clash of values. But the poster complaining about Chinese writing does feel a tad xenophobic. Do you complain about the stores and signs that have Spanish on them too?

No - because due to poverty and the creation of ethnic ghettos, I recognize this does happen. Those areas are literally almost
100% Latino and those signs are in Spanish in order to communicate with the only constituency that lives there. In the example I gave of Asians, they may make up a strong 40% of an upper middle class neighborhood and will start throwing up store front signs in their language. This is to invite their own in and to keep the rest of us out. The neighborhood is NOT theirs to do that with. It’s rude, insular and exclusionary.

So you are ok if it happens in other people's neighborhoods but not your own. Those neighborhoods didn't start out 100% Latino, and probably still aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there is a failure to assimilate. I’d you look at other demographic groups, they assimilate. Asians bring their culture and want it to permeate the school, neighborhood, everything. Why is it that most schools with high Asian enrollment insist that the ENTIRE school has to celebrate Chinese New Year? We don’t care. Do we celebrate every other culture’s holiday? I don’t want my kids celebrating the culture of a race that thinks my children are inferior to them. I always pull my kids out on those days and other parents are starting to do the same too.

And Muslim holidays, and Jewish holidays, and Diwali. This was pushed by whites who wanted to signal their support for diversity. You will rarely see someone saying they don't want a holiday for their culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Wootton in MCPS. We left neighborhood for many, many reasons - nice folks but didn’t share values.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster. It is absolutely a thing and it’s not as simple as “we are afraid of the competition”.
Imagine you are an athlete and you enjoy your sport at a recreational level and have no desire to train for the Olympics. Suddenly the whole stadium is inundated by those practicing day and night and training like they are about to try out for the Olympics. You are pushed to the side and you have no place on the track anymore.
This is what’s happening. I don’t want my kid to study day and night and jump under a train due to stress.
When typical Asian culture parents arrive en masse they just ruin the vibe. I am not being racist here - I would say the same thing if the so called white trash suddenly decided to descend on a typical white UMC district.
Fwiw I am white but not UMC.

good to know you equate Asian American immigrants with white trash.

Good one for twisting PP’s language around.

Look everyone is trying to gain advantage. Once sat with lovely couple from Korea who succeeded at high stakes, exam based culture in the motherland. They get here - find the schools are too ‘soft’ for Korean-now-American Larlo and Larla. They find the closest Kumon and begin to match other Koreans who came here to escape and now are caught by trying to keep up with the Heungs. Culture is the hardest to change.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there is a failure to assimilate. I’d you look at other demographic groups, they assimilate. Asians bring their culture and want it to permeate the school, neighborhood, everything. Why is it that most schools with high Asian enrollment insist that the ENTIRE school has to celebrate Chinese New Year? We don’t care. Do we celebrate every other culture’s holiday? I don’t want my kids celebrating the culture of a race that thinks my children are inferior to them. I always pull my kids out on those days and other parents are starting to do the same too.

The children of immigrants tend to assimilate reasonably well. It's the first gen immigrants themselves that assimilate more slowly, but that's true of most immigrants. I do not see much evidence that Latino immigrants assimilate particularly quickly either. They have their own subcultures just like the various Asian groups do. You seem to dislike Asians in particular for some reason.

The reason is that the PP is racist against Asians. Sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Wootton in MCPS. We left neighborhood for many, many reasons - nice folks but didn’t share values.

I live here too - what values do you mean? We are also thinking of moving maybe toward Rockville where the diversity is more balanced.

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Anonymous wrote:All you people making comments about “Asians” need to realize how many cultures are swept up in that one group.

You also need to realize that people who look “Asian” do not necessarily share these stereotypical views and stop assuming they do. The attitudes described here are found in the immigrant parents, not subsequent generations. I am of “Asian” origin but born in America and am not a tiger parent at all but I have been judged and excluded by UMC white parents my whole time as a parent. Remember brown people can be American, too.

So you present as Asian can I ask why it bothers you that the white UMC people don’t accept you? Does it similarly bother you that you are not socially accepted by other minority groups - ie, Latino or Blacks? I’ve noticed that the Asian parents at my school try super hard to be accepted by whites families but treat other minority families as though they are invisible.

I’m another Asian parent and I find your stereotyping very offensive. My kid has friends of all races at school and I am eager to befriend any parent who is nice and doesn’t instantly judge me by the color of my skin.

This thread is just depressing.

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In Mo Co, I’ve seen the best mix of diversity at Richard Montgomery High School. I’m not talking just statistically but I am at Rockville Town Center daily and see the Richard Montgomery kids before and after school for at least the last three years. I have yet to see ONE monolithic friend group. Every friend group I’ve seen - boys or girls - is always a mix of different races or nationalities. I absolutely love it and that’s what I want for my kid. Am happy to leave the ‘W’ schools to have my kids be in this environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Wootton in MCPS. We left neighborhood for many, many reasons - nice folks but didn’t share values.

Wootton is not majority Asian. There are slightly more Asian kids than White kids there. But it seems that if White kids are not at least the plurality, some White parents will claim there is an Asian “majority” and find an excuse to leave for a school better aligned with their “values” (i.e., always being the dominant group).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Seems likely.

I know I did not want to buy in some of the very heavily Asian majority school zones out of concern for ending up in too much of a pressure cooker environment. And then after all that oldest DC opted for TJ… But at least that was a choice vs feeling like our home school was a mismatch in vibe for our family.

I don’t think you can point to another public high school in the DC region that is majority Asian besides TJ. There are a limited number that are plurality Asian but not majority, whereas there are quite a few high schools in the region that are majority White, Hispanic, or Black.

Check out these high schools in MCPS:
-Wootton HS 38% Asian, 36% white https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf
-Poolesville: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04152.pdf
-Clarksburg HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04249.pdf
-Northwest HS https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

Of the 4 schools you linked, only in Wootton do Asians have a plurality, and none are majority Asian. If the other 3 are those that are closest, you've proves PP's point better than they could.

The ones below Wootton are within a couple percentage points of being the majority. Proving a point that TJ is not an anomaly and demographics are changing at other schools.

Having clicked through, I don’t think you know what the word “majority” means.

+1. Too bad this person didn't grow up with an Asian tiger parent. Maybe they would understand math.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mo Co, I’ve seen the best mix of diversity at Richard Montgomery High School. I’m not talking just statistically but I am at Rockville Town Center daily and see the Richard Montgomery kids before and after school for at least the last three years. I have yet to see ONE monolithic friend group. Every friend group I’ve seen - boys or girls - is always a mix of different races or nationalities. I absolutely love it and that’s what I want for my kid. Am happy to leave the ‘W’ schools to have my kids be in this environment.

I have good friends (white) with kids in the W schools and their friend groups look incredibly mixed. I have to wonder about the people who complain that their kids can't make friends of different races. How hard are their kids trying? Maybe their kids prefer to hang out with a culturally and ethnically homogenous group themselves but then complain when they see other culturally or ethnically homogenous groups.