New NBER paper: White Flight from Asian Immigration: Evidence from California Public Schools

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle. I'm from Cali and experienced this. Eventually all of the strip malls had Chinese writing on all of the store front signs. I could not read them and no, I have no interest in learning Chinese. It felt like I was living in China, which I would never want to even want to visit and I have traveled all over the world. So we left. It had nothing to do with academics. Most whites in areas like this area already well off, so they aren't necessarily relying on good grades and hard work for opportunities - our kids will have that anyway so we don't have the desperate "we have to make it here or else" mentality like the Asians do. It's just the feeling like my neighborhood started to feel like it wasn't America anymore and I didn't like that.

Agree. My friends who have visited China have not been impressed. More than one has seen a body float by them in a river, and no one flinched. No thanks.

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There are a lot of assumptions in your post. Yes some Asians are cliquey and straight from their former country. There are many Asian Americans in the US who are into hanging out with other groups and don't need their businesses to have writing in the former language. You are showing privilege in that you think your own experience with a group that is very diverse is the only experience and lumping them all together as one...

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Anonymous wrote:This book shows how White families when Asian American families move in: https://www.amazon.com/Race-Top-Americans-American-Suburban/dp/022663681X. I heard the author speak last year and it was very interesting.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Unlike Blacks and Hispanics, Asians tend to clump together and are not inviting into their social circle. I'm from Cali and experienced this. Eventually all of the strip malls had Chinese writing on all of the store front signs. I could not read them and no, I have no interest in learning Chinese. It felt like I was living in China, which I would never want to even want to visit and I have traveled all over the world. So we left. It had nothing to do with academics. Most whites in areas like this area already well off, so they aren't necessarily relying on good grades and hard work for opportunities - our kids will have that anyway so we don't have the desperate "we have to make it here or else" mentality like the Asians do. It's just the feeling like my neighborhood started to feel like it wasn't America anymore and I didn't like that.

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This is currently happening to my child’s affluent CA suburban high school. Used to be predominately white, and now it’s about 40% Asian, and white students leave for neighboring schools to access better athletics, more school spirit. Plus, grading is hard and classes are competitive.

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I have some friends whose kids were white in majority Asian schools in California. Some were fine. Some were terribly bullied and left. That doesn’t seem all that different from the experience of Asian kids in majority white schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This book shows how White families when Asian American families move in: https://www.amazon.com/Race-Top-Americans-American-Suburban/dp/022663681X. I heard the author speak last year and it was very interesting.

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Race at the Top: Asian Americans and Whites in Pursuit of the American Dream in Suburban Schools

https://www.amazon.com/Race-Top-Americans-American-Suburban/dp/022663681X/

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Anonymous wrote:It feels like there are school districts that are not very good in terms of teaching, but they have a reputation for being good. This brings in a lot of Asians that want to be in a top school district. These higher caliber students then raise the scores of the school district, and the process repeats.

This hits home. This is very much the dynamic at our school.

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"Sign on the storefront" type blaming is what leads for many immigrant kids to see their language and heritage as a barrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31434

Spicy!

This paper studies white flight from Asian arrivals in high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts from 2000-2016 using initial settlement patterns and national immigrant flows to instrument for entry. We find that, as Asian students arrive, white student enrollment declines in higher-income suburbs. These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role.

Did they put any numbers behind the bolded? Or are they just guessing, and this part is being hyped?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks good to me. Bye, racists and xenophobes clinging to dwindling class privilege.

Unfortunately those most comfortable living around the diversity, are the ones who express their racism later by pushing equity initiatives that take away opportunities from Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks good to me. Bye, racists and xenophobes clinging to dwindling class privilege.

Unfortunately those most comfortable living around the diversity, are the ones who express their racism later by pushing equity initiatives that take away opportunities from Asians.

Asians don't need equity initiatives, because employers hire will workers who generate substantially more monetizable value. The children of privilege will spend down their inheritance and fade so irrelevance.
Progressive Asians support Hewitt initiatives out of a sense of moral concern for Black people, not.for their own needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of assumptions in your post. Yes some Asians are cliquey and straight from their former country. There are many Asian Americans in the US who are into hanging out with other groups and don't need their businesses to have writing in the former language. You are showing privilege in that you think your own experience with a group that is very diverse is the only experience and lumping them all together as one...

I never said this was everyone's experience. This was MY experience, which I agree was the experience of many of my friends. So we left.

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Anonymous wrote:"Sign on the storefront" type blaming is what leads for many immigrant kids to see their language and heritage as a barrier.

It's true though. There should be no way I am driving around my neighborhood full of $1million homes in the U.S. and all the writing on the stores in the strip malls are written in Chinese; every nail shop and even the Greek restaurant was owned and run by Chinese between that and all of the Chinese grocery stores popping up, I'd had my fill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks good to me. Bye, racists and xenophobes clinging to dwindling class privilege.

Unfortunately those most comfortable living around the diversity, are the ones who express their racism later by pushing equity initiatives that take away opportunities from Asians.

Please stop with this narrative.