Baltimore has turned apocalyptic. MoCo’s future?

[Anonymous]

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It's dishonest to look at death rates which include overdoses, accidents, and suicides? Overdoses, accidents, and suicides don't contribute to the apocalypse, just homicide does?

But ok, here are the age-adjusted homicide rates.

Mississippi: 23.7 per 100,000 people
Louisiana: 21.3
Alabama: 15.9
New Mexico: 14.3
South Carolina: 13.4
Missouri: 12.4
Illinois: 12.3
Maryland: 12.2
Tennessee: 12.2
Arkansas: 11.7
Georgia: 11.4

^^^And, of course, auto theft. Auto theft, the main indicator of the apocalypse! The four horsemen aren't bothering with horses anymore, they use stolen cars!

When people can no longer afford to register their vehicles in the city due to skyrocketing insurance premiums, see how well that goes for the working class who struggle every day to make ends meet. It is the apocalypse for every regular person as they’ll get more financially crushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's dishonest to look at death rates which include overdoses, accidents, and suicides? Overdoses, accidents, and suicides don't contribute to the apocalypse, just homicide does?

But ok, here are the age-adjusted homicide rates.

Mississippi: 23.7 per 100,000 people
Louisiana: 21.3
Alabama: 15.9
New Mexico: 14.3
South Carolina: 13.4
Missouri: 12.4
Illinois: 12.3
Maryland: 12.2
Tennessee: 12.2
Arkansas: 11.7
Georgia: 11.4

^^^And, of course, auto theft. Auto theft, the main indicator of the apocalypse! The four horsemen aren't bothering with horses anymore, they use stolen cars!

When people can no longer afford to register their vehicles in the city due to skyrocketing insurance premiums, see how well that goes for the working class who struggle every day to make ends meet. It is the apocalypse for every regular person as they’ll get more financially crushed.

Speaking of struggling, 30% of households in Baltimore do not have a personal vehicle available for use. The apocalypse for many regular people is buses that don't come when you need them, or that don't go where you need to go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is part of the Kia/Hyundai theft epidemic that’s happening all over the country. It is not specific to Baltimore.

This is becoming the new iT wAs wOrSe iN tHe 90s.

It was worse in the 80’s and 90’s.

Crime is still historically low.

The uptick is due to a pandemic, fentanyl and poverty. Those are not caused by “progressive “ policy.

It like the crack epidemic but it fentanyl , thanks China.

Yes.

So does this mean all you right-wingers on here are ready to discuss gun-control? All this worry about murder and auto-thefts and car-jackings and crime and no discussion of how it's time to get rid of all the guns?

Does this mean you are ready to discuss policies to reduce poverty?

If not, you are not really interested in addressing this topic and just a pot-stirring troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Baltimore is my birthplace, and grew up in it's 'burbs. Lived in D.C. for a bit, but moved back in 2004. I finally moved out of Baltimore City in 2019. Moved out of Maryland in 2021. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2014/2015. There was a time when things were improving, incrementally, yes. That cannot be denied by anybody who were there during the early-00's. At the very least, the chaos and misery was confined to a handful of blocks and individuals/tiny neighborhood gangs.

I've lived in MoCo during the early influx of Central Americans and have been back there since the winding down of the pandemic drama too. I don't see another Baltimore in the making. Similarities in terms of shifts of socioeconomics and terrible attitudes/outcomes related to education in certain populations appear to be in spitting distance. The problems Baltimore contends with are stickier than antisocial souls taking the red line up to Gaithersburg or Central Americans bringing their struggles and social pathologies with them.

I know someone who considers living in Baltimore to be like peering into the future in terms of crime/social ills. I don't completely agree, but with the astronomical rise in homicide rates and the out of control drug trade nationwide, I wonder at times. It's frustrating that my birthplace is one that I have to make sure I mention that I grew up in "the surrounding area" because people will think differently of you. Or, if you're an adult choosing to live there that you have a death wish.

Anonymous wrote:... While I was looking, I learned that blacks were lured to Baltimore with the promise of safe neighborhoods in which to raise their families. Instead, they found themselves living in a declining city with increasing crime. Very sad story.

Baltimore has had a relatively large AfroAmerican population since easily the 19th century. Maryland as a whole has always been a very black state compared to most. I'm not sure where you got this information regarding black families being "lured" to the city. If you're referring to the ending of segregated neighborhoods; the sorts moving into 'hoods like Irvington, Ednor Gardens, etc. were mostly locals with deep roots.

It's more like they're being "lured" to the bedroom communities, currently. Many I've talked to back there seem to be under the impression that changing a few digits in their 212xx zip code or going clear up to York, PA will guarantee safety and prosperity.

Also born in Baltimore with deep family roots in 21213. I haven’t lived there since I was a kid, but both sides of grandparents were there until they died. I love the look I get when I tell people precisely where – and if they know it, there’s an immediate recalibration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could always move to the five states with the highest age-adjusted death rates: Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and West Virginia. Maybe the folks that are elected there are more to your liking.

What does highest age adjusted death rates mean

^^^ only a trumper is too stupid to understand that lolz ^^^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH went to Memphis recently; he said it looked apocalyptic and unsafe. I think that many on this board have no idea how bad poverty and crime are around the country. It is like you all live in a bubble of "I am a self-made person who earns a paltry 500K or less than 1M per year." and it is "their" fault they are poor and crime-ridden.
Us vs. them mentality is so prevalent on dcum, particularly from self-proclaimed super-liberals who would not step foot at Orioles stadium lest they have to see a poor person in Baltimore. You talk and talk, and you are honesty worse than those you call red necks; they at least do not hide their racism if they are racist.
When we wanted to elect Bernie, what did you do? Call him a crazy old man.

The who? The what? And who is "we"?

Oh, yay! Gaslighting liberal.

Gaslighting? Are you questioning your sanity or powers of reasoning? It doesn't seem so, but maybe you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's dishonest to look at death rates which include overdoses, accidents, and suicides? Overdoses, accidents, and suicides don't contribute to the apocalypse, just homicide does?

But ok, here are the age-adjusted homicide rates.

Mississippi: 23.7 per 100,000 people
Louisiana: 21.3
Alabama: 15.9
New Mexico: 14.3
South Carolina: 13.4
Missouri: 12.4
Illinois: 12.3
Maryland: 12.2
Tennessee: 12.2
Arkansas: 11.7
Georgia: 11.4

^^^And, of course, auto theft. Auto theft, the main indicator of the apocalypse! The four horsemen aren't bothering with horses anymore, they use stolen cars!

When people can no longer afford to register their vehicles in the city due to skyrocketing insurance premiums, see how well that goes for the working class who struggle every day to make ends meet. It is the apocalypse for every regular person as they’ll get more financially crushed.

Speaking of struggling, 30% of households in Baltimore do not have a personal vehicle available for use. The apocalypse for many regular people is buses that don't come when you need them, or that don't go where you need to go.

Part of 30% not owning IS because of outrageous insurance premiums already. And they’ll get worse now. And yea, they’ll be screwed because there are no good transportation alternatives available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's dishonest to look at death rates which include overdoses, accidents, and suicides? Overdoses, accidents, and suicides don't contribute to the apocalypse, just homicide does?

But ok, here are the age-adjusted homicide rates.

Mississippi: 23.7 per 100,000 people
Louisiana: 21.3
Alabama: 15.9
New Mexico: 14.3
South Carolina: 13.4
Missouri: 12.4
Illinois: 12.3
Maryland: 12.2
Tennessee: 12.2
Arkansas: 11.7
Georgia: 11.4

^^^And, of course, auto theft. Auto theft, the main indicator of the apocalypse! The four horsemen aren't bothering with horses anymore, they use stolen cars!

When people can no longer afford to register their vehicles in the city due to skyrocketing insurance premiums, see how well that goes for the working class who struggle every day to make ends meet. It is the apocalypse for every regular person as they’ll get more financially crushed.

Speaking of struggling, 30% of households in Baltimore do not have a personal vehicle available for use. The apocalypse for many regular people is buses that don't come when you need them, or that don't go where you need to go.

Part of 30% not owning IS because of outrageous insurance premiums already. And they’ll get worse now. And yea, they’ll be screwed because there are no good transportation alternatives available.

Insurance premiums, costs of buying a vehicle, costs of operating and maintaining a vehicle...

And there is no future tense about it. People in Baltimore need good public transportation now. Including the Baltimore Red Line, which Hogan killed, and then redistributed the money from Baltimore to road projects in rural counties with lots of Hogan voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is part of the Kia/Hyundai theft epidemic that’s happening all over the country. It is not specific to Baltimore.

This is becoming the new iT wAs wOrSe iN tHe 90s.

It was worse in the 80’s and 90’s.

Crime is still historically low.

The uptick is due to a pandemic, fentanyl and poverty. Those are not caused by “progressive “ policy.

It like the crack epidemic but it fentanyl , thanks China.

Yes.

So does this mean all you right-wingers on here are ready to discuss gun-control? All this worry about murder and auto-thefts and car-jackings and crime and no discussion of how it's time to get rid of all the guns?

Does this mean you are ready to discuss policies to reduce poverty?

If not, you are not really interested in addressing this topic and just a pot-stirring troll.

We’ve dumped billions into Baltimore over decades. Clinton spent tons of money on Empowerment Zones. Hogan committed to billions more in the city to combat blight, poverty, and for improving schools. Even before all of that Baltimore got tons of money for housing and other anti-poverty programs, yet nothing ever improves. Maybe city leadership under democrats sucks and has so for the last 80 years. How many times do you have to bang your head against the wall to admit the problem isn’t more money, but maybe the incompetent and corrupt clown shows you elect.


I think it was only a little while ago when it was revealed that the comptroller of the city, the #3 highest ranking official btw who makes a big 6 figure salary btw, hadn’t audited a whole bunch of city departments since like the 80s! How does the city pay someone like that big salaries and re-elect them over and over when they aren’t doing their basic job? And you wonder where money goes in Baltimore despite all of the spending when you have virtually no oversight on where the money goes for decades. Same city where city sanitation workers took millions in kickbacks to allow out of city people to dump trash in the landfills and where something absurd like 60-70% of all cops and firefighters have filed for disability and get payments for ‘injuries’ they supposedly got on the job.

It’s really tiresome listening to Baltimore people claim all the time they need more money to combat poverty and invest in opportunities for people when we’ve already done that to the tune of billions of dollars over decades with zero results. Look at your leadership for starters. You give democrats carte blanche to run the city. How’s that worked out for you for the last 8 decades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Baltimore is my birthplace, and grew up in it's 'burbs. Lived in D.C. for a bit, but moved back in 2004. I finally moved out of Baltimore City in 2019. Moved out of Maryland in 2021. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2014/2015. There was a time when things were improving, incrementally, yes. That cannot be denied by anybody who were there during the early-00's. At the very least, the chaos and misery was confined to a handful of blocks and individuals/tiny neighborhood gangs....

...Baltimore has had a relatively large AfroAmerican population since easily the 19th century. Maryland as a whole has always been a very black state compared to most. I'm not sure where you got this information regarding black families being "lured" to the city. If you're referring to the ending of segregated neighborhoods; the sorts moving into 'hoods like Irvington, Ednor Gardens, etc. were mostly locals with deep roots.

It's more like they're being "lured" to the bedroom communities, currently. Many I've talked to back there seem to be under the impression that changing a few digits in their 212xx zip code or going clear up to York, PA will guarantee safety and prosperity.

Your comment reminds me of a conversation I had with a local while I was wandering around Patterson Park. I was standing in front of a plaque describing fortification thrown up to defend Baltimore during the War of 1812. A nice AA gentleman and I began chatting in front of the plaque. If I remember correctly, he gestured towards housing down the hill from where we were standing, the housing in proximity to water. He quietly related that the housing did not exist at the time of the war. He said the warships had traveled towards Baltimore. All available men mustered to defend their city, black and white. Nobody paid attention to color; they were intent on saving their city. He said the men successfully defended their city. I don't recall some of the interesting details he related. I had the impression he was relating an oral history handed down from his ancestors who helped defend Baltimore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


We’ve dumped billions into Baltimore over decades. Clinton spent tons of money on Empowerment Zones. Hogan committed to billions more in the city to combat blight, poverty, and for improving schools. Even before all of that Baltimore got tons of money for housing and other anti-poverty programs, yet nothing ever improves. Maybe city leadership under democrats sucks and has so for the last 80 years. How many times do you have to bang your head against the wall to admit the problem isn’t more money, but maybe the incompetent and corrupt clown shows you elect.

$10 million per year for 10 years, and Baltimore residents have paid for it twice over with foregone tax revenue.

And I'm old enough to remember how much the Hogan administration hated Baltimore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH went to Memphis recently; he said it looked apocalyptic and unsafe. I think that many on this board have no idea how bad poverty and crime are around the country. It is like you all live in a bubble of "I am a self-made person who earns a paltry 500K or less than 1M per year." and it is "their" fault they are poor and crime-ridden.
Us vs. them mentality is so prevalent on dcum, particularly from self-proclaimed super-liberals who would not step foot at Orioles stadium lest they have to see a poor person in Baltimore. You talk and talk, and you are honesty worse than those you call red necks; they at least do not hide their racism if they are racist.
When we wanted to elect Bernie, what did you do? Call him a crazy old man.

The who? The what? And who is "we"?

Oh, yay! Gaslighting liberal.

Gaslighting? Are you questioning your sanity or powers of reasoning? It doesn't seem so, but maybe you are.

You are so great at narcing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe don’t hang out in the projects of Baltimore after midnight?

Never fear, the YIMBY kooks will do their best to bring the projects to you, one zoning change at a time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH went to Memphis recently; he said it looked apocalyptic and unsafe. I think that many on this board have no idea how bad poverty and crime are around the country. It is like you all live in a bubble of "I am a self-made person who earns a paltry 500K or less than 1M per year." and it is "their" fault they are poor and crime-ridden.
Us vs. them mentality is so prevalent on dcum, particularly from self-proclaimed super-liberals who would not step foot at Orioles stadium lest they have to see a poor person in Baltimore. You talk and talk, and you are honesty worse than those you call red necks; they at least do not hide their racism if they are racist.
When we wanted to elect Bernie, what did you do? Call him a crazy old man.

NP who has lived in various parts of the country (including the Deep South). Memphis hasn’t been a nice city for a long time. I can recognize poverty and blight pretty well. Baltimore is up there in terms of those measures. The politicians can’t get out of their own way to allow growth in the city.

[Anonymous]

And where do you live OP?