Coming from a lowkey racist WASP family

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who got to decide on the new definition was it amended in the last 5-10 years?

People who understand power dynamics.

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who got to decide on the new definition was it amended in the last 5-10 years?

People who understand power dynamics.

People who think they understand power dynamics.

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Anonymous wrote:So much overt racism against white people on this thread. Very disheartening.

LMAO

As if being ignorant and being White is synonymous

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who got to decide on the new definition was it amended in the last 5-10 years?

People who understand power dynamics.

People who think they understand power dynamics.

If you know better, explain it for the class, then.

I’m sure you don’t and can’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I married into an old money WASP family. My kids and I call out my ILs and try to educate them when they're being racist/homophobic/bigoted/victim shamer/etc. but my ILs very much have the attitude of "I'm too old to keep up with all these new rules."

I've been married to my wife for 25 years and no matter how many times I've told her that the correct term is either people of color or black, she still calls them "colored people" and says that back then, they wanted to be called colored instead of other things. Um, yeah, I guess if the options were colored or n-word, I'd pick colored, too, Jacqueline!

Because those two terms are soooo different.

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Anonymous wrote:OP if you're from a WASP family then I'm sure you have subtly racist opinions on some POC work ethic. Probably shouldn't judge your family harder than yourself.

Wow . Way to paint with a broad brush . Out of curiosity, when did these 'subtly racist opinions of some poc work ethic' start surfacing? I ask because when some of these poc were providing free labor in parts of thus country , no one ever called their work ethic into question.

are you kidding? when they were producing forced "free" (stolen) labor they were labelled lazy and work shy! a nefarious stereotype that has lasted into the present day!

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who gets to make that definition?

those who are marginalized. This is absolutely correct. Only whites can be racist.

I am a liberal, but this is one of those areas, like gender, where the new lefty shibboleths are so ridiculous that they are literally unbelievable. It is self-evident that non-whites can be racist. The evidence is there for all to see. Stop this nonsense, you are embarrassing yourself.

+1. Racism is the belief that individuals are determined by their skin color. It is also the belief that some people with common physical characteristics are genetically superior.

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who gets to make that definition?

those who are marginalized. This is absolutely correct. Only whites can be racist.

tell me you're trolling, please.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing racist about white people commenting on the racist and problematic behavior of their own community. It’s being self-aware. If you have a problem with this, you should discover why. As for the other posts pointing out issues with other communities, start your own thread. This thread deals with WASPs.

For those who don’t think WASPs are racist, please explain to me why country clubs blocked memberships of minorities or different religions. Maybe the new breed of Episcopalians are more enlightened but the older generation were low key racists.

This point about older generations is largely correct. But not even universally. Our fancy local country club blocked Jews like our family doctor, so my parents joined the YMCA outdoor pool instead. They were Episcopalian, as were a number of the other Y members.

the price difference probably didn't hurt, either

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Anonymous wrote:OP did you think your family is more racist than others because they are white? I'm sure your girlfriend's parents made similar comments about you, especially if you have an obviously WASP name.

Only whites can be racist.

By definition, BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism.

Who gets to make that definition?

those who are marginalized. This is absolutely correct. Only whites can be racist.

I am a liberal, but this is one of those areas, like gender, where the new lefty shibboleths are so ridiculous that they are literally unbelievable. It is self-evident that non-whites can be racist. The evidence is there for all to see. Stop this nonsense, you are embarrassing yourself.

+1. Racism is the belief that individuals are determined by their skin color. It is also the belief that some people with common physical characteristics are genetically superior.

"Ism" = not just an individual belief, but a belief that has been entrenched for generations that and is foundational to a system that grants privilege to certain groups without those groups even having to opt in.

It's the systemic part. You can't decide race doesn't matter to you and start living in a world where you're unaffected (for good or ill) by racism. You can decide you're not into astrology and astrology won't affect you at all after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! I married an hispanic immigrant. My uncle started ranting about immigrants to my husband at my cousin’s wedding. I was horrified.


Another thing I find absolutely mind boggling is the Chevy Chase Catholics who love to try to imitate WASP culture. Like Catholics were as bad as minorities and immigrants to old WASP families. They weren’t allowed in country clubs or in the social register! It’s bizarre.

I'm not a Chevy Chase Catholic.

I'm a 5th generation member of a Catholic parish in a midwestern city. We feel a sense of obligation to continue to support the parish. There's some exclusivity, I suppose. It's not really by choice, but more out of a sense of duty and tradition. Inside the church building, there lies the history of my family. There's a memorial with engraved names of fallen American service members from the parish. Statues, paintings, sculptures, etc. donated and with a history.

We are an old Catholic family. LoL. We don't need to act like an old WASP family.

I'm also somewhat relieved to have family ties in Europe, just in case.

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Anonymous wrote:True WASPs aren't racist.

Laughable! WASP culture is absolutely racist.

No. True WASP culture is the type of Episcopalianism where you are very worried about racism and social justice but have no minority friends. It's about being overly obsequious to your housekeeper because she's "like family". It's about believing you couldn't possibly be racist because racism is a character flaw and WASPs don't have character flaws, they are the moral paradigms that all other Americans should strive to be.

LOL, this describes many Episcopalians I know.

Oh boy is this spot on!

Christians in general are racists.

You've obviously never lived in Muslim countries or East Asia. Or even in various African countries where people strongly discriminate against tribal origins and faith.

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Anonymous wrote:My grandmother was a white supremacist, so I had the overt racism growing up. My father is not white, so that made it really fun. Everyone liked *him*, and *me*. But my grandmother told my mother, in front of me, that different races really should not marry.

I mean, it ended up being hilarious it was so wrong.

My cousins and I are very lefty and open-minded. The ones stuck in the middle are my mother and her siblings. They have made great progress. I suspect that some of them simply have made progress in overt to covert racism. But others really have grown to respect most skin colors and ethnic provenance.

Now on to sexual identity. Here everyone is Catholic or if not that, very socially conservative, so my family is still at square 0: fear and detestation.

My BIL is almost certainly gay and you cannot even hint at it.

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No one uses the word prejudiced any more. It's safe to say that most people prejudge based on stereotypes. However that is completely different from being actually racist.

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Anonymous wrote:My family is full of subtly racist WASPs, nothing overt but they make little comments and their tone/body language is such that you can pick up on the fact they don't want you dating or marrying people of another race, that they look down on other races, etc. Feels awkward being around them and I've dated a number of women of other races. Anyone else experience something like this?

You sound like a little worm of a man anyway, since you’ve clearly spent time thinking about this.

Actual men don’t give this stuff a second thought. They date who they want and never give any thought at all to what their mother or aunt might think.

That’s the difference between you and a real man.