Old (2019) NYT article—“In the salary race, Engineering majors sprint, but English majors endure”

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Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

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Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

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Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

+1

Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

Average SAT Verbal 529, SAT Math 521. i'd hardly call that significant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

+1

Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

It depends on the student. For some, math is very hard, for others, English is more difficult. Blanket statements show a lack of understanding

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

+1

Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

Average SAT Verbal 529, SAT Math 521. i'd hardly call that significant

By design since these are normalized scores not raw, but try explaining that to the STEM booster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

+1

Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

Average SAT Verbal 529, SAT Math 521. i'd hardly call that significant

By design since these are normalized scores not raw, but try explaining that to the STEM booster.

I’m someone who started out in STEM at a T20 school but slid into being an English major partly because I came in (in the pre-AP test days) less well prepared than I thought; partly because the average grades in STEM classes were about 0.5 points lower, just because; and partly because everyone in my family thought the idea of me majoring in STEM was absurd. My parents had no idea how anyone who majored in STEM who wasn’t a doctor could earn a living.

What’s hot in terms of majors changes over time. Now, humanities majors are out of fashion because law school is out of fashion. If legal hiring recovers, then interest in humanities and social sciences majors will recover.

But I think the big thing is that students have to be smart and enthusiastic to get through STEM classes at T20 universities. Dutiful, sort-of-bright children who are majoring in CS at Duke or John’s Hopkins because their parents want them to be CS majors are unlikely to survive the weeding out process. Parents who sincerely want to push bright-ish kids into CS or the like need to aim their kids at the Catholic Universities of the world, not the Johns Hopkinses.

[Anonymous]

Why are many here continually making the assumption that kids are being pushed into CS by their parents? Our public school district has been laser-focused on touting the importance of competency in STEM skills since my now-HS kid was in kindergarten.

Additionally, if a kid shows a preference for and aptitude in math and science over social studies, language and literature, doesn't want to be a doctor or lawyer but wants to make a fairly decent living, engineering/CS etc. seem to be one obvious answer for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is very misleading. The only people who study English at college are rich people with family money. Of course they do well over time with connections etc.

Let me guess: You are second gen.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/business/liberal-arts-stem-salaries.html

College is not trade school! What you make starting out isn’t very relevant. Think long-term.

STEM majors aren’t in “trade school”. They are as highly educated as their humanities peers and have as many options for flexible career shifts long term.

Also, while salaries may eventually equal out, that fast start allows STEM majors to pay off loans quickly, save to pay cash for a car, and save for a down payment on a house. Compound interest and early investment in the stock market is a wonderful thing for retirement.

This! The VAST MAJORITY of STEM kids are smarter/more intelligent than the VAST MAJORITY of English grads. The only smart kids that WANT to get an English degree are those that love English or are getting an 'easy' degree for a high GPA as a stepping stone to grad school (medicine, law or MBA). The first group will score high on job/career satisfaction and the latter, of course, will make money compared to a CS grad that didn't go to grad school. A third group will just coast on family connections.. Get into a decent school, study English or something equally fu fu, get a job with daddy's company or daddy's friend's and go up the ladder. The skills needed for a high level job are less cerebral and more interpersonal. I know someone who dropped out of college (English major) who 20 years later is the COO of a large company in another country (daddy's connections) and seems to be doing well (anecdotal, of course). I also know many, many STEM grads that decided to get an MBA and are rubbing shoulders with the C Suite.

If you were to measure the collective wealth of ALL STEM undergrads and compare that to ALL liberal arts grads adjusted for college pedigree, I bet the the STEM grads would be way ahead of the LA peers at any age group. Common sense.

Provide data to prove your point, PP. Your post is pure conjecture.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what people who look down at English majors are missing is that there is so much you can do with that major. It is not limited to publishing. It is a flexible degree and you need to keep an open mind.

+1.

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It teaches how to write, critically think, etc. Issue is that initially upon graduation, it can be harder to find a job---there are not tons of places hiring that say "we want an English major" so you have to be more adept and willing to navigate the job search. It also helps as an humanities major of any type if you are not afraid of technology---as all tech companies need technical writers, marketing/comms employees. And they will be more willing to hire you if you have a few techie courses/data science/stats. Basically you have to work harder to find the first job, but your opportunities are endless if you are flexible.

My DC with a sociology major got a high paying job right out of college doing marketing for a prestigious firm. DC has a great personality and sense of humor and is very, very smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people who look down at English majors are missing is that there is so much you can do with that major. It is not limited to publishing. It is a flexible degree and you need to keep an open mind.

+1.

+100

It teaches how to write, critically think, etc. Issue is that initially upon graduation, it can be harder to find a job---there are not tons of places hiring that say "we want an English major" so you have to be more adept and willing to navigate the job search. It also helps as an humanities major of any type if you are not afraid of technology---as all tech companies need technical writers, marketing/comms employees. And they will be more willing to hire you if you have a few techie courses/data science/stats. Basically you have to work harder to find the first job, but your opportunities are endless if you are flexible.

My DC with a sociology major got a high paying job right out of college doing marketing for a prestigious firm. DC has a great personality and sense of humor and is very, very smart.

Yeah because he probably went to an elite college and/or is an athlete

School name matters a ton in the humanities & social sciences

If the only school you can get into is Towson you better major in STEM or accounting/finance/etc

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an English major. Very content at 40 to be making $150K in a communications field, writing a lot, leaving every day at 4. My work is wonderful, and it never comes home with me. I’m sure I could be making a lot more money, but I value peace of mind and meaningful work a lot more. I’m happy!

+1. That’s awesome.

+2 this is me too, although I'm younger. Very happy with my career choice and salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
New (2023) CBSNews article

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/college-major-highest-lowest-incomes/

Sorry English is way at the bottom

This is the reality for short term, mid term, and long term.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO the majors that require the highest level of math are trade school??

Morons.

+1

Math classes are generally harder than English classes. That's why the average SAT score in English is usually higher than the average SAT for math.

Average SAT Verbal 529, SAT Math 521. i'd hardly call that significant

By design since these are normalized scores not raw, but try explaining that to the STEM booster.

Regardless, more people struggle with high level math than with high level English.

Why do you think undergrad engineers get paid more than undergrad English majors? Because the degree program is harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people who look down at English majors are missing is that there is so much you can do with that major. It is not limited to publishing. It is a flexible degree and you need to keep an open mind.

+1.

+100

It teaches how to write, critically think, etc. Issue is that initially upon graduation, it can be harder to find a job---there are not tons of places hiring that say "we want an English major" so you have to be more adept and willing to navigate the job search. It also helps as an humanities major of any type if you are not afraid of technology---as all tech companies need technical writers, marketing/comms employees. And they will be more willing to hire you if you have a few techie courses/data science/stats. Basically you have to work harder to find the first job, but your opportunities are endless if you are flexible.

My DC with a sociology major got a high paying job right out of college doing marketing for a prestigious firm. DC has a great personality and sense of humor and is very, very smart.

dp.. that's awesome for your DC, but you understand the concept of anecdata vs statistical data, right?

[Anonymous]

More colleges are getting rid of the English major due to waning interest.