Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

Nope, colleges are institutions that have rules. Your kid's desire to attend means complying with those rules. They don't get to dictate terms.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

The colleges can impose the mandates, I suppose. And people can point out that there's no logic behind the mandate. The vaccines don't prevent transmission, so what's the point of requiring them, other than paternalism? Our universities are supposed to be more thoughtful and logical than that.

No one wants to prevent people from getting the vaccine. People like me just don't want to impose the covid vaccines on others, especially not healthy young people.

No one is forcing your kid to go to said school and hence the vaccine is not compulsary. They can choose a different school, problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:No indoctrinated people want to get boosters. Fact getting the vaccine and/or booster does not prevent COVID, so also will not prevent the effects of long COVID.

please don't tell me you hold a college degree with that nonsense.

Liberty U, if course.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

I remember submitting health forms to my state flagship in the 1980's. So this isn't new. Likely your parents submitted those forms from your pediatrician.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

well you may think that but you are wrong. colleges are separate entities and allowed to set the rules as THEY deem appropriate and necessary. If a college determines your kid needs vaccinations A, B and C in order to matriculate as a student, you then have a choice: follow the rules or choose to attend school elsewhere. Similarly, if an employer chooses to require the vaccine ( a few still do), you are free not to get it and take your employment elsewhere. You are free to do whatever the hell you want, but if other places have rules in place you need to follow them or go elsewhere. So nobody is forcing you to get the vax. You can choose not to, but you won't be allow to matriculate at many schools who still require it. Don't like it, then you are free to choose a school that suites your choices. You get all the choices you want, but there are consequences for your choices and you have to live with them. Really it's quite simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

Every college or university that I have attended or worked at in the southeast required at least some vaccinations, particularly meningitis. We had an outbreak when I was in college, and two students died and many more became ill. After that, we all needed to have vaccinations and most of us wanted them. Usually they just ask you if you have them, and you don't have to "show a vaccine card" so people can lie if they are dishonest.

As a former educator, I have no interest in catching Covid from a student and potentially ending up with long Covid, which can even happen among vaccinated adults, especially people who are older or who already have health problems. Students living and working and partying in close quarters is a much different situation from going to work in an office building with other adults. I am vaccinated, but would rather not take a chance working in a college or university again.

But, I worked in Georgia, where I had to sign a "loyalty oath" to the State of Georgia if I wanted to accept a position there. Seriously. I am not kidding. And you people are complaining about a vaccine to reduce chances of serious infection?

Consider how selfish your position is. You would force young people to expose themselves to a risk so that they may potentially reduce a risk to you by some negligible amount. If the vaccines are so effective, you should shoot yourself up with them but not force others to do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

“I want freedom without responsibility!!! Who cares if me exercising my freedom limits others from exercising their freedom? It’s all about MEEEE!!!!”

How does a 20 year-old not getting vaccinated harm anyone else's freedom?

Remember, again, that the vaccines don't reduce transmission.

Yes, they do. And if they are in a small classroom with classmates who have immunosuppression issues or an older professor, they are putting them at risk. Your inability to walk in other people's shoes surfaces just how selfish your position is.

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Anonymous wrote:There should simply be no mandate. The vaccine does not prevent COVID but does lessen the severity. Boosters have helped some people with long COVID and made others feel worse. Studies out of the UK demonstrate that getting the vaccine for the good of the many does not make statistical sense on the individual level. The virus, has, as all viruses do mutated to be far less lethal.

Colleges that enforce a mandate do so at there own risk. The number of students leaving high school is shrinking and so will the number of colleges over the next decade. Will the mandate be a deal breaker for everyone, no - but for some/many it might be one.

But on the societal level, it does show statistical significance. So....

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

At my MBA program, we were required to get the flu shot. Vax requirements are not new.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

I remember submitting health forms to my state flagship in the 1980's. So this isn't new. Likely your parents submitted those forms from your pediatrician.

And likely we all submitted them for our kids to attend either public or private K-12 schools over the last 13+ years. Our school system had a measles outbreak 3-4 years ago. Shut down the HS for 3 days. Required ALL faculty and staff to prove they had Measles titers (not just the shot, but that they had actual protection) in order to return to work. Had two staff members (over 50, fully vaxed) whose vaccinations had obviously waned and were not protected and had ended up with measles thanks to an area of Non-vaxers in our state (it's where the outbreak started in an area with known non-vaxers). Several friends/teachers learned that they too no longer had good immunity---turns out if you only ever had 2 shots and are over 40, it's highly likely your immunity of one or all of the MMRs is waning. Schools have been requiring vaccinations for decades---dont' get it and cannot prove medical reasons for not getting it and your kid cannot attend School.

Same school system: we had just moved and my kid was 2 months over the age for an 11yo vaccine booster (including Whooping cough). Would not let my kid start school without getting the booster within the first week. They were serious about it---I had to find a new doc the week before school started (try that sometime and get a physical---damn near impossible) to get my kid their shot---school took it serious because 3 years before that they'd had a Whooping cough outbreak--once again with kids who were "fully vaxed" but brought into area from a non-vaxed kiddo. One of our neighbors had it in the outbreak---out sick for over 2 months and they were up to date with their vaccines---10 yo kid was hospitalized with it. There is a reason schools require vaccines. For all vaccines, protection is always better the more people who are vaxed---it's how epidemiology works.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

At my MBA program, we were required to get the flu shot. Vax requirements are not new.

And if you want to be a nurse, PA, PT, OT, anything medical and work in clinical setting, you will have a long list of shots you need to get and likely will need a TB test. If you choose not to get them (other than for actual valid medical reasons) you simply cannot do your work/clinicals/degree.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be a patient of any medical staff who does not believe in vaccinations. Only one I dont' care about is HPV---because I or anyone in my family is not going to be affected by you not getting it in a normal medical setting. Everything else is to protect the patient/my family and the provider.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

Every college or university that I have attended or worked at in the southeast required at least some vaccinations, particularly meningitis. We had an outbreak when I was in college, and two students died and many more became ill. After that, we all needed to have vaccinations and most of us wanted them. Usually they just ask you if you have them, and you don't have to "show a vaccine card" so people can lie if they are dishonest.

As a former educator, I have no interest in catching Covid from a student and potentially ending up with long Covid, which can even happen among vaccinated adults, especially people who are older or who already have health problems. Students living and working and partying in close quarters is a much different situation from going to work in an office building with other adults. I am vaccinated, but would rather not take a chance working in a college or university again.

But, I worked in Georgia, where I had to sign a "loyalty oath" to the State of Georgia if I wanted to accept a position there. Seriously. I am not kidding. And you people are complaining about a vaccine to reduce chances of serious infection?

Consider how selfish your position is. You would force young people to expose themselves to a risk so that they may potentially reduce a risk to you by some negligible amount. If the vaccines are so effective, you should shoot yourself up with them but not force others to do so.

All vaccines work 1000x better if everyone gets them! This is nothing new. Why do you think we now have measles outbreaks? .......because the source is always a non-vaxed person who travels somewhere that measles is NOT irradiated and brings it back to the USA. Once people went on a "not getting vaxed" trend the incidences of diseases we had irradiated in the US started occurring again. Most of us do NOT remember getting these diseases. But talk to anyone over 70 and they will remember friends who died or were severely changed for life from getting these childhood illnesses.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

I remember submitting health forms to my state flagship in the 1980's. So this isn't new. Likely your parents submitted those forms from your pediatrician.

I didn't have a pediatrician. I saw a family doctor.
But no, they didn't submit them through my family doctor either. I did all of the paperwork involved for my college admission, payments, etc.

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Which schools are still requiring a Covid vax?

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

Every college or university that I have attended or worked at in the southeast required at least some vaccinations, particularly meningitis. We had an outbreak when I was in college, and two students died and many more became ill. After that, we all needed to have vaccinations and most of us wanted them. Usually they just ask you if you have them, and you don't have to "show a vaccine card" so people can lie if they are dishonest.

As a former educator, I have no interest in catching Covid from a student and potentially ending up with long Covid, which can even happen among vaccinated adults, especially people who are older or who already have health problems. Students living and working and partying in close quarters is a much different situation from going to work in an office building with other adults. I am vaccinated, but would rather not take a chance working in a college or university again.

But, I worked in Georgia, where I had to sign a "loyalty oath" to the State of Georgia if I wanted to accept a position there. Seriously. I am not kidding. And you people are complaining about a vaccine to reduce chances of serious infection?

Consider how selfish your position is. You would force young people to expose themselves to a risk so that they may potentially reduce a risk to you by some negligible amount. If the vaccines are so effective, you should shoot yourself up with them but not force others to do so.

All vaccines work 1000x better if everyone gets them! This is nothing new. Why do you think we now have measles outbreaks? .......because the source is always a non-vaxed person who travels somewhere that measles is NOT irradiated and brings it back to the USA. Once people went on a "not getting vaxed" trend the incidences of diseases we had irradiated in the US started occurring again. Most of us do NOT remember getting these diseases. But talk to anyone over 70 and they will remember friends who died or were severely changed for life from getting these childhood illnesses.

The mistake here is that while the Covid vaccine is called a vaccine, it is not a vaccine like the measles vaccine. It not only doesn’t provide sterilizing immunity, it barely provides immunity. Vaccinated people get infected and transmit the disease. Its primary efficacy is to reduce severe outcomes. And unlike other vaccines produced from dead viruses, it is a more complicated mechanism with more significant and unknown consequences. The measles vaccine is harmless and extraordinarily effective at ending infection and transmission. That cannot be said of the Covid “vaccine.” There is a reason even the Biden administration has ended all these mandates. The colleges need to catch up.