Elrich property tax increase

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It ends up being a vicious cycle.

Revenue is down (or- Elrich can't control spending). So what do we do? Raise taxes.

People with means vote with their feet to neighboring counties, and VA.

Revenue is down again- and schools are a little worse, and crime is up. So what do we do- raise taxes.

Rinse, repeat.

People with means would pay tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a property tax increase of a few hundred dollars per year? I mean, maybe, but it's not a rational response.

For high earners with high value houses, the increase is substantial, especially when added every year. We got a tax assessment notice INCREASING the value of our property by $1 million dollars. The assessment is not accurate because the market has cooled down from last summer. When you add in the tax rate increase, we will be paying $12,000 MORE a year in property taxes. We will likely go from $19,000 a year in taxes to $31,000 a year. That equates to almost $2,600 in property taxes each month. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for us having a high value home but my point is that we are not talking about a few hundred dollars.

OK, so, for people with very high assessed property values, it would be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Would you sell and move if your property taxes went up like that?

Not the PP and I know our increase would be much less than theirs, but I do feel like the universe has been trying to tell us something the last couple weeks. DH commutes to NoVA daily and there apparently is now no plan for traffic relief on the beltway/270. I used to work in MoCo, now DC (by metro) but with a lot more telework flexibility than I used to have. There are a lot of things I like about MD and MoCo and moving would be a PITA, but I just don’t know that it makes sense to stay long term.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

We never eat out in Montgomery county. Never. We go to Howard, dc and Arlington. We grocery shop in Howard and PG. I will be happy to leave in 2 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It ends up being a vicious cycle.

Revenue is down (or- Elrich can't control spending). So what do we do? Raise taxes.

People with means vote with their feet to neighboring counties, and VA.

Revenue is down again- and schools are a little worse, and crime is up. So what do we do- raise taxes.

Rinse, repeat.

People with means would pay tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a property tax increase of a few hundred dollars per year? I mean, maybe, but it's not a rational response.

For high earners with high value houses, the increase is substantial, especially when added every year. We got a tax assessment notice INCREASING the value of our property by $1 million dollars. The assessment is not accurate because the market has cooled down from last summer. When you add in the tax rate increase, we will be paying $12,000 MORE a year in property taxes. We will likely go from $19,000 a year in taxes to $31,000 a year. That equates to almost $2,600 in property taxes each month. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for us having a high value home but my point is that we are not talking about a few hundred dollars.

OK, so, for people with very high assessed property values, it would be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Would you sell and move if your property taxes went up like that?

Not the PP and I know our increase would be much less than theirs, but I do feel like the universe has been trying to tell us something the last couple weeks. DH commutes to NoVA daily and there apparently is now no plan for traffic relief on the beltway/270. I used to work in MoCo, now DC (by metro) but with a lot more telework flexibility than I used to have. There are a lot of things I like about MD and MoCo and moving would be a PITA, but I just don’t know that it makes sense to stay long term.

There was never any plan for "traffic relief" on the Beltway/270, just for toll lanes plus continued congestion in the non-toll lanes (because otherwise nobody would pay to drive in the toll lanes).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It ends up being a vicious cycle.

Revenue is down (or- Elrich can't control spending). So what do we do? Raise taxes.

People with means vote with their feet to neighboring counties, and VA.

Revenue is down again- and schools are a little worse, and crime is up. So what do we do- raise taxes.

Rinse, repeat.

People with means would pay tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a property tax increase of a few hundred dollars per year? I mean, maybe, but it's not a rational response.

For high earners with high value houses, the increase is substantial, especially when added every year. We got a tax assessment notice INCREASING the value of our property by $1 million dollars. The assessment is not accurate because the market has cooled down from last summer. When you add in the tax rate increase, we will be paying $12,000 MORE a year in property taxes. We will likely go from $19,000 a year in taxes to $31,000 a year. That equates to almost $2,600 in property taxes each month. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for us having a high value home but my point is that we are not talking about a few hundred dollars.

OK, so, for people with very high assessed property values, it would be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Would you sell and move if your property taxes went up like that?

Not the PP and I know our increase would be much less than theirs, but I do feel like the universe has been trying to tell us something the last couple weeks. DH commutes to NoVA daily and there apparently is now no plan for traffic relief on the beltway/270. I used to work in MoCo, now DC (by metro) but with a lot more telework flexibility than I used to have. There are a lot of things I like about MD and MoCo and moving would be a PITA, but I just don’t know that it makes sense to stay long term.

There was never any plan for "traffic relief" on the Beltway/270, just for toll lanes plus continued congestion in the non-toll lanes (because otherwise nobody would pay to drive in the toll lanes).

Better to just sit on our hands and do nothing, eh? Meanwhile, in Virginia....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

There is a huge excess of parking in downtown Bethesda. A few of the garages are in demand, the rest are mostly empty.

https://www.bethesda.org/bethesda/parking-map

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It ends up being a vicious cycle.

Revenue is down (or- Elrich can't control spending). So what do we do? Raise taxes.

People with means vote with their feet to neighboring counties, and VA.

Revenue is down again- and schools are a little worse, and crime is up. So what do we do- raise taxes.

Rinse, repeat.

People with means would pay tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a property tax increase of a few hundred dollars per year? I mean, maybe, but it's not a rational response.

For high earners with high value houses, the increase is substantial, especially when added every year. We got a tax assessment notice INCREASING the value of our property by $1 million dollars. The assessment is not accurate because the market has cooled down from last summer. When you add in the tax rate increase, we will be paying $12,000 MORE a year in property taxes. We will likely go from $19,000 a year in taxes to $31,000 a year. That equates to almost $2,600 in property taxes each month. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for us having a high value home but my point is that we are not talking about a few hundred dollars.

OK, so, for people with very high assessed property values, it would be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Would you sell and move if your property taxes went up like that?

Not the PP and I know our increase would be much less than theirs, but I do feel like the universe has been trying to tell us something the last couple weeks. DH commutes to NoVA daily and there apparently is now no plan for traffic relief on the beltway/270. I used to work in MoCo, now DC (by metro) but with a lot more telework flexibility than I used to have. There are a lot of things I like about MD and MoCo and moving would be a PITA, but I just don’t know that it makes sense to stay long term.

There was never any plan for "traffic relief" on the Beltway/270, just for toll lanes plus continued congestion in the non-toll lanes (because otherwise nobody would pay to drive in the toll lanes).

Better to just sit on our hands and do nothing, eh? Meanwhile, in Virginia....

Better than setting money on fire? Yes, doing nothing is better than setting money on fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

There is a huge excess of parking in downtown Bethesda. A few of the garages are in demand, the rest are mostly empty.

https://www.bethesda.org/bethesda/parking-map

You can nitpick my experience all you want. The reality is that the supply of parking is insufficient for areas where they expect people to actually want to shop or eat, and therefore they have lost a lot of business opportunities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

There is a huge excess of parking in downtown Bethesda. A few of the garages are in demand, the rest are mostly empty.

https://www.bethesda.org/bethesda/parking-map

You can nitpick my experience all you want. The reality is that the supply of parking is insufficient for areas where they expect people to actually want to shop or eat, and therefore they have lost a lot of business opportunities

I'm not nitpicking your experience at all. I'm sure it happened just as you said. The reality is that

1. there is a huge number of empty parking spaces in downtown Bethesda
2. there are a lot of people going where you're trying to go (because otherwise the parking garages would be empty)

You're describing a It's So Crowded, Nobody Goes There Anymore problem, not a lack-of-parking problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It ends up being a vicious cycle.

Revenue is down (or- Elrich can't control spending). So what do we do? Raise taxes.

People with means vote with their feet to neighboring counties, and VA.

Revenue is down again- and schools are a little worse, and crime is up. So what do we do- raise taxes.

Rinse, repeat.

People with means would pay tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a property tax increase of a few hundred dollars per year? I mean, maybe, but it's not a rational response.

For high earners with high value houses, the increase is substantial, especially when added every year. We got a tax assessment notice INCREASING the value of our property by $1 million dollars. The assessment is not accurate because the market has cooled down from last summer. When you add in the tax rate increase, we will be paying $12,000 MORE a year in property taxes. We will likely go from $19,000 a year in taxes to $31,000 a year. That equates to almost $2,600 in property taxes each month. I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for us having a high value home but my point is that we are not talking about a few hundred dollars.

OK, so, for people with very high assessed property values, it would be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Would you sell and move if your property taxes went up like that?

Yes, if this keeps happening. This is $12000 extra in a single year. They will keep increasing taxes with multiple rounds of assessments and tax increases. How much further does it have to go when your taxes go from $19000 per year to $31000 in a single year.? How about up to $40k? $50k?

At some point, it makes zero sense to pay $30,40,50k in taxes just for the privilege of a zip code. People will flee en masse, and the death spiral between the need to raise taxes to plus shortfalls and flight occurs faster.

Property taxes in Fairfax are so much higher than in Montgomery County. Stop being so dramatic.

You didn't consider incomes taxes too, duh. It makes MoCo was less attractive to live in, and it is already a bedroom community.

It may surprise you to learn that many of us live AND work in MoCo. Bedroom community my ass.

You’re one of the lucky few. More than half leave the county to go to work, a number that’s been increasing because the county has had negative private sector job growth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

There is a huge excess of parking in downtown Bethesda. A few of the garages are in demand, the rest are mostly empty.

https://www.bethesda.org/bethesda/parking-map

You can nitpick my experience all you want. The reality is that the supply of parking is insufficient for areas where they expect people to actually want to shop or eat, and therefore they have lost a lot of business opportunities

I'm not nitpicking your experience at all. I'm sure it happened just as you said. The reality is that

1. there is a huge number of empty parking spaces in downtown Bethesda
2. there are a lot of people going where you're trying to go (because otherwise the parking garages would be empty)

You're describing a It's So Crowded, Nobody Goes There Anymore problem, not a lack-of-parking problem.

The problem with Bethesda is that it’s for old people now. Their generation likes driving around in big cars and doesn’t like walking very far even if they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a summary of all the changes:
https://mocoshow.com/blog/county-executive-recommends-10-cent-increase-in-countys-property-tax-rate-to-be-used-exclusively-to-fully-fund-mcps-budget-request/

Notice things like we'll now have to pay for parking on Saturdays. That'll be great for businesses in places like Bethesda -- consumers will just move on to nearby DC or VA instead for their shopping.

No joke. I quit going to downtown Bethesda many years ago thanks to the horrendous parking situation much less hassle to go to Tysons even with the extra driving

The "horrendous parking situation" meaning you have to pay a few dollars to park in a garage that might not be right across from your destination, because the one right across from your destination is full of the cars of other people who parked there?

Horrendous parking situation in the sense of already not having enough garages and then waiting for a huge tow of cars to go in and out of a parking garage, delaying me by 10 minutes, driving to the next garage and having the same experience, finally finding something 0.8 miles away and showing up 30 minutes late to my reservation which has now been given away

There is a huge excess of parking in downtown Bethesda. A few of the garages are in demand, the rest are mostly empty.

https://www.bethesda.org/bethesda/parking-map

You can nitpick my experience all you want. The reality is that the supply of parking is insufficient for areas where they expect people to actually want to shop or eat, and therefore they have lost a lot of business opportunities

I'm not nitpicking your experience at all. I'm sure it happened just as you said. The reality is that

1. there is a huge number of empty parking spaces in downtown Bethesda
2. there are a lot of people going where you're trying to go (because otherwise the parking garages would be empty)

You're describing a It's So Crowded, Nobody Goes There Anymore problem, not a lack-of-parking problem.

The problem with Bethesda is that it’s for old people now. Their generation likes driving around in big cars and doesn’t like walking very far even if they can.

No, it's not. If it were, it wouldn't be crowded. What does seem to be true, is that Bethesda is for people who want to park in front of their destination for free to complain about.

[Anonymous]

his”record spending” with county dollars on climate change is ludicrous. it is 100% virtue signaling because it doesn’t do any good on a micro scale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:his”record spending” with county dollars on climate change is ludicrous. it is 100% virtue signaling because it doesn’t do any good on a micro scale.

Which macro scale actions do you support, with respect to climate change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol like more money for the schools will fix the problem. our small parochial spends about 7k per pupil and stayed open the whole pandemic while the publics that spend 17k screamed they needed more money for 18 months. money will not fix a broken system.

Let me guess: MON. That placed rocked the public schools. What a gem of a school in Moco.

On the taxes front: people there is NO job growth in Moco the past decade / you must have seen this coming, more to come. RIP is right