If your DC's secondary school appears to have a pipeline to a specific Top 10 college...

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Nothing says DCUM like this thread.

Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing says DCUM like this thread.

Ugh.

💯. This thread is high up on the “oblivious entitlement” list, and that is saying a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy that there are these pipeline schools. I’ve asked this before but why is that not considered a hook? Everyone’s upset about other hooks but no one mentions this as being a problem/unfair.

If it’s Chicago, it’s not really a hook. I’m the person that mentioned people get in ED at our school. The kids getting in are very well qualified academically. Always top of the class in the hardest classes but are not athletes, URMs, or VIPs. They just actually stand a chance there whereas they typically don’t at most ivies save Cornell.

But isn’t the fact that they stand a chance because of where they go to school a hook? Sorry, your logic/justification doesn’t make sense to me.

This is so not true. Most of the kids getting into Chicago from these elite private schools would absolutely not get into Chicago if they were at a public HS. I personally know several kids.

What do you mean the kids you know would not get in from public?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy that there are these pipeline schools. I’ve asked this before but why is that not considered a hook? Everyone’s upset about other hooks but no one mentions this as being a problem/unfair.

If it’s Chicago, it’s not really a hook. I’m the person that mentioned people get in ED at our school. The kids getting in are very well qualified academically. Always top of the class in the hardest classes but are not athletes, URMs, or VIPs. They just actually stand a chance there whereas they typically don’t at most ivies save Cornell.

Ok here you go. I’ll quote the response so that system doesn’t hide it. What I was saying was the bolded isn’t true because the kids I know getting into Chicago from these elite private schools would never get in if they were at public school. Stats are not that strong.

+1 Chicago trying to get that endowment up and build strong relations with private schools, even if it means accepting kids who might not have gotten into ivy/Stanford/Duke. Georgetown has been doing the same for years

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

+1 well said. The top schools should be ready to compete

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

Duke buys top students with generous merit scholarships in order to compete with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

This is only true if you believe that a high schooler who is in the top 0.001% of high school grads (with regards to high school accomplishments) is materially more likely to become a success story in life (as a alum of Chicago) that any high schooler who cleared some much lower (say 1500, 3.95, decent extracurriculars) bar.
Chicago clearly feels no and I'm sure they're basing this on data.

[Anonymous]

Every school with ED is playing this same game; UChicago just takes it to the next level. For example, I applied and was accepted to Penn M&T ED and therefore didn’t try for Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

Duke buys top students with generous merit scholarships in order to compete with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & Stanford.

All of the top schools offer something to compete with HPSM. There was another post about this earlier but Yale has a STEM scholarship, Duke offers 70-100 scholarships per year (many of which are for low income kids, so the cost would have been the same with just financial aid), Columbia offers 100+ scholarships per year, UPenn offers 300+ scholarships and dual degree programs per year, and Cornell offers 350+ scholarships per year. Every school outside HPSM offers something essentially, and Duke doesn’t offer even close to the most. I think notably Caltech doesn’t offer anything though, which ends up really hurting them particularly against MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

Duke buys top students with generous merit scholarships in order to compete with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & Stanford.

All of the top schools offer something to compete with HPSM. There was another post about this earlier but Yale has a STEM scholarship, Duke offers 70-100 scholarships per year (many of which are for low income kids, so the cost would have been the same with just financial aid), Columbia offers 100+ scholarships per year, UPenn offers 300+ scholarships and dual degree programs per year, and Cornell offers 350+ scholarships per year. Every school outside HPSM offers something essentially, and Duke doesn’t offer even close to the most. I think notably Caltech doesn’t offer anything though, which ends up really hurting them particularly against MIT.

Northwestern does not offer merit scholarships either. Probably hurts in cross-admit battles with other Top 10 National Universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school with ED is playing this same game; UChicago just takes it to the next level. For example, I applied and was accepted to Penn M&T ED and therefore didn’t try for Harvard.

The problem is Chicago takes it to an unprecedented level. Penn accepts ~50% of their class through ED. UChicago accepts ~75% of their class through ED, which is entirely different.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’d encourage my kid to apply to their dream school, and apply RD to the pipeline school since lresumably there is still some advantage there if HYPS does not work out.

College counselor was candid in saying this college cares a great deal about yield and all bets are off if applying RD.

That’s Chicago for sure, they’re known to care the most about yield and take the overwhelming majority of its class from ED rounds. EA and RD are essentially a joke for them

Can you blame them? Otherwise they’d have to compete with HYPSM, Caltech, Duke, UPenn, etc. for a lot of students. Their strategy saves them a lot of hassle.

Yes I can blame them, it’s a scummy strategy that hurts themselves more than anyone else. They’re supposed to compete for the best students, even if it means losing a lot of students. I mean look at Caltech, Duke, and Columbia. All top tier schools with slightly lower yield rates because they’ll admit the actual top students who are applying, even if they know several of them won’t enroll because they’ll have an offer from HPSM. So they end up losing a lot of students to HPSM in particular, but they don’t care because it’s better to have 2 out of those 10 tippy-top students (gold medalists, national champions, math prodigies, etc.) actually choose to enroll at your school than to not give them the chance to make a decision at all. Because of this, schools like Caltech, Duke, and Columbia have superstars in their student body who will set the tone for their class because they weren’t afraid to accept them and see them walk elsewhere.

This is an interesting narrative, but how could you possibly know this?