Data on where kids go to school

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

Charters and OOB are what enable parents to live in neighborhoods with not good schools instead of moving away. Eliminating that would in fact be very high cost. OOB DCPS students are just a small fraction of kids who are going to a school that's not within walking distance - the much bigger issue is charters and, no, no one is getting rid of those so you can have better traffic. But the traditional answer to this is school buses, which you are free to advocate for.

Is it true that OOB DCPS are a small fraction? I’ve often wondered why the lottery isn’t charter only. (And we’re a family OOB at a DCPS.)

Half the kids in DC are in charters! And the lottery for DCPS schools is to fill empty spots and for schools that are not by-right. Ending feeder pattern rights may make sense -- but I think they are doing that?

Where have you heard that they’re ending OOB feeder rights?

Here! So it's entirely possible it was wrong or I'm remembering incorrectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Also un-interested in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Make sure you aren't confusing the capture rate (percent of students living in the boundary who attend the school) with the percentage of students at the school who live in-boundary. The latter is a function of building size and some schools are big relative to their population, others smaller, it's not really a measure of quality or "success".

No, that is a different column. You can look at the data documentation if you can open an excel file.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Of course you can. That is how most school districts work. There is no OOB option; just zoned public or private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

Not only do you not want your kids in school with "those kids" now you also don't want them driving through your neighborhood!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Of course you can. That is how most school districts work. There is no OOB option; just zoned public or private.

Not in this region. With so many jurisdictions so close together, people as a rule moved out of the District or went private if they could.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Ok but a lot of people walk to their school even if it isn't their IB school. And for a lot of people (I am one of them), the school they actually attend is physically closer than their IB school.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would like to know how many DCPS middle schoolers don’t continue on to a DCPS (or DCPCS) HS - whether their IB or an application school (Banneker, SWW, DESA, etc.). But you can’t ask this Q of this data set. It would be too difficult and expensive to get this data and of course, it wouldn’t be in CO’s best interests to find out so we will probably never know.

Also private schools don’t report this. They’re private, and have no requirement or need to report this info. At best you could merge with census type info on full population of students.

You can get this data by zip code here: https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/20007/

Enter zip code and scroll down. This one shows that 67% of kids aged 3-17 in zip code 20007 (Georgetown/Glover Park) attend private school.

For AU Park 20016: 49.4% attend private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Of course you can. That is how most school districts work. There is no OOB option; just zoned public or private.

Not in this region. With so many jurisdictions so close together, people as a rule moved out of the District or went private if they could.

THIS. Charters are what is keeping so many families in the city EOTP. It’s not DCPS schools.

Make families send their kids to their poorly performing IB school and so many with options would just move or go private. The city woukd take a big hit. The mayor and city knows this for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would like to know how many DCPS middle schoolers don’t continue on to a DCPS (or DCPCS) HS - whether their IB or an application school (Banneker, SWW, DESA, etc.). But you can’t ask this Q of this data set. It would be too difficult and expensive to get this data and of course, it wouldn’t be in CO’s best interests to find out so we will probably never know.

Also private schools don’t report this. They’re private, and have no requirement or need to report this info. At best you could merge with census type info on full population of students.

You can get this data by zip code here: https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/20007/

Enter zip code and scroll down. This one shows that 67% of kids aged 3-17 in zip code 20007 (Georgetown/Glover Park) attend private school.

For AU Park 20016: 49.4% attend private school.

So even WOTP, many students don’t attend their IB school.

Watch, I predict this number will increase too with what DCPS is doing to JR and all the issues going on at Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would like to know how many DCPS middle schoolers don’t continue on to a DCPS (or DCPCS) HS - whether their IB or an application school (Banneker, SWW, DESA, etc.). But you can’t ask this Q of this data set. It would be too difficult and expensive to get this data and of course, it wouldn’t be in CO’s best interests to find out so we will probably never know.

Also private schools don’t report this. They’re private, and have no requirement or need to report this info. At best you could merge with census type info on full population of students.

You can get this data by zip code here: https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/20007/

Enter zip code and scroll down. This one shows that 67% of kids aged 3-17 in zip code 20007 (Georgetown/Glover Park) attend private school.

For AU Park 20016: 49.4% attend private school.

So even WOTP, many students don’t attend their IB school.

Watch, I predict this number will increase too with what DCPS is doing to JR and all the issues going on at Deal.

Also Hardy is a disaster this year too with all the cuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Of course you can. That is how most school districts work. There is no OOB option; just zoned public or private.

DCPS is operating under a series of consent decrees that require that any empty seats be made available to any city resident. The consent decrees are a direct result of policies implemented in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education to try to prevent the racial integration of the schools. There's no undoing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve often wondered why those clamoring for reducing car traffic on Connecticut, Wisconsin, and 16th street didn’t first begin their advocacy with getting rid of the OOB school system. Everyday there a literally thousands of car trips of speeding parents shuttling their kids all over town. I know many of them and none use transit or bikes. Requiring kids to attend their neighborhood schools would have major safety and environmental benefits overnight. At zero cost. Worth a conversation?

More broadly, there's about 110,000 school-age kids in DC and about 85,000 of them don't attend their neighborhood DCPS school. That's an awful lot of daily trips, and an awful lot of travel time.

But here's the thing: you can't force them to attend their local schools. DCPS has to draw them, and that's something DCPS has proven incapable of.

Of course you can. That is how most school districts work. There is no OOB option; just zoned public or private.

DCPS is operating under a series of consent decrees that require that any empty seats be made available to any city resident. The consent decrees are a direct result of policies implemented in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education to try to prevent the racial integration of the schools. There's no undoing this.

Can you cite to these decrees? Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would like to know how many DCPS middle schoolers don’t continue on to a DCPS (or DCPCS) HS - whether their IB or an application school (Banneker, SWW, DESA, etc.). But you can’t ask this Q of this data set. It would be too difficult and expensive to get this data and of course, it wouldn’t be in CO’s best interests to find out so we will probably never know.

Also private schools don’t report this. They’re private, and have no requirement or need to report this info. At best you could merge with census type info on full population of students.

You can get this data by zip code here: https://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/20007/

Enter zip code and scroll down. This one shows that 67% of kids aged 3-17 in zip code 20007 (Georgetown/Glover Park) attend private school.

For AU Park 20016: 49.4% attend private school.

This is years out of date for our gentrifying neighborhood. I’d take all of this data with an enormous grain of salt.