Father not involved in child’s life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

[Anonymous]

*Just like they shouldn't be able to force

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My best friend was dating a guy a few years ago. They dated briefly and their relationship lasted under 6 months. They broke up and she found out she was pregnant. After the breakup, her ex cut contact with her. He was aware that she was pregnant. Her son is almost 2 years now and her ex has not seen him until now. She has contacted him and reached out to him to be in his son’s life, however he refuses.

Her son is such a great child and I love him to pieces. I’m heartbroken that his father wants nothing to do with him. I just wanted to know how should my friend we go about this situation? Would her ex come to his senses and realize his wrongdoings and come around? Should she just give up on her ex? Thoughts?

He’d probably make a terrible parent and coparent and she should be glad he’s not involved. No involvement is way better than negative or negligent or dangerous or abusive involvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

Because child support is for the child, not the mother.

Anyway, I would keep the door open for this guy. I do think men easily compartmentalize, which is why the fact that he is a good dad to his other kids is meaningless, except to show that he’s not some monster. But I wouldn’t put that much effort into it.

With a man like this their commitment to the child hinges on their commitment to the mother. Guarantee you it was his wife who filed and he didn’t want the divorce. Men are not like women and fewer of them will commit to a child whose mother they are not in a relationship with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend was dating a guy a few years ago. They dated briefly and their relationship lasted under 6 months. They broke up and she found out she was pregnant. After the breakup, her ex cut contact with her. He was aware that she was pregnant. Her son is almost 2 years now and her ex has not seen him until now. She has contacted him and reached out to him to be in his son’s life, however he refuses.

Her son is such a great child and I love him to pieces. I’m heartbroken that his father wants nothing to do with him. I just wanted to know how should my friend we go about this situation? Would her ex come to his senses and realize his wrongdoings and come around? Should she just give up on her ex? Thoughts?

He’d probably make a terrible parent and coparent and she should be glad he’s not involved. No involvement is way better than negative or negligent or dangerous or abusive involvement.

Agree. Sometimes interaction that is emotionally painful or neglectful is worse than the person’s absence in your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

100% but should a man be held responsible for life long responsibilities and sponsoring if a woman who isn't a wife, wants to keep the child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

100% but should a man be held responsible for life long responsibilities and sponsoring if a woman who isn't a wife, wants to keep the child?

and declines abortion

[Anonymous]

Imho he should but not if a woman is trying to trap him this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

100% but should a man be held responsible for life long responsibilities and sponsoring if a woman who isn't a wife, wants to keep the child?

Abortion isn't an alternative to parenthood. It's an alternative to pregnancy. Pregnancy can kill you. Parenthood cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

Because child support is for the child, not the mother.

Anyway, I would keep the door open for this guy. I do think men easily compartmentalize, which is why the fact that he is a good dad to his other kids is meaningless, except to show that he’s not some monster. But I wouldn’t put that much effort into it.

With a man like this their commitment to the child hinges on their commitment to the mother. Guarantee you it was his wife who filed and he didn’t want the divorce. Men are not like women and fewer of them will commit to a child whose mother they are not in a relationship with.

NP and he clearly didn't want the child. It's incredibly unrealistic to expect him to be involved with a child he didn't want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

Because child support is for the child, not the mother.

Anyway, I would keep the door open for this guy. I do think men easily compartmentalize, which is why the fact that he is a good dad to his other kids is meaningless, except to show that he’s not some monster. But I wouldn’t put that much effort into it.

With a man like this their commitment to the child hinges on their commitment to the mother. Guarantee you it was his wife who filed and he didn’t want the divorce. Men are not like women and fewer of them will commit to a child whose mother they are not in a relationship with.

NP and he clearly didn't want the child. It's incredibly unrealistic to expect him to be involved with a child he didn't want.

His sperm his responsibility. If he didn’t want to risk making someone else pregnant, he either shouldn’t have sex or use more reliable protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

100% but should a man be held responsible for life long responsibilities and sponsoring if a woman who isn't a wife, wants to keep the child?

and declines abortion

Yes, of course he should, financially at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

Because child support is for the child, not the mother.

Anyway, I would keep the door open for this guy. I do think men easily compartmentalize, which is why the fact that he is a good dad to his other kids is meaningless, except to show that he’s not some monster. But I wouldn’t put that much effort into it.

With a man like this their commitment to the child hinges on their commitment to the mother. Guarantee you it was his wife who filed and he didn’t want the divorce. Men are not like women and fewer of them will commit to a child whose mother they are not in a relationship with.

NP and he clearly didn't want the child. It's incredibly unrealistic to expect him to be involved with a child he didn't want.

And it’s immoral not to be a father to the life you created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He told her to abort the child and she was hesitant. In the end, she decided to keep the baby. He never asked about her during the pregnancy or his son until now. When she met him, he was separated from his ex-wife and was always involved with his other 2 children. He was really hands on and a doting father to them. But if he can be loving towards the children of his ex, why can’t he be loving towards his own son as well? That’s the confusing part.

My friend talks about this, so it’s not like I’m involving myself in her business. Would it be a good idea if one of my friend’s parent meets her ex and confronts him about why he is not involved in his son’s life?

Usually, I'm on women's side but since we want the right to abortion, women need to own their reproductive decisions. He had no say in it, she made a decision in her own so she should deal with the consequences. He already had children and didn't want any more, why should he pay for her choice to trap him into having another one.

This isn’t right either. He made the decision to take financial responsibility when he made the decision to have unprotected sex. He doesn’t get to not pay child support. Sucks for his existing family but this is his doing too. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex without protection.

Yes but why a man doesn't get any say in abortion? Just like theyshould be able to force women to carry children, they shouldn't be forced to be fathers to kids they didn't want? Just playing devil's advocate.

Because it isn’t their body. A wife doesn’t get any say in whether their husband has a vasectomy or a triple bypass. It’s his body. She can give her opinion but has no decision making right unless he is incapacitated and she is his legally designated proxy. This is a cornerstone of health care.

100% but should a man be held responsible for life long responsibilities and sponsoring if a woman who isn't a wife, wants to keep the child?

and declines abortion

Yes. He makes the decision at the time of unprotected sex. She makes the decision then and again past the until abortion deadline. It’s not equal. That’s just the way it is bc abortion is legal and she is the one carrying the pregnancy and facing the health consequences of pregnancy and childbirth.