Can a China expert explain why xi didn’t let covid burn through the population?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone who watched orange fatso’s handling of covid - “letting it burn through the population” - which is EXACTLY what he did - would even ask this question.

China handled it smartly. We handled it stupidly. And we lost 6,000,000 Americans in 2 years.

China has 5x our population and lost a fraction of the people we lost. That’s what trump got us. 6 million dead.

China is such a benevolent entity. Power to the people, right PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone who watched orange fatso’s handling of covid - “letting it burn through the population” - which is EXACTLY what he did - would even ask this question.

China handled it smartly. We handled it stupidly. And we lost 6,000,000 Americans in 2 years.

China has 5x our population and lost a fraction of the people we lost. That’s what trump got us. 6 million dead.

Huh? Where are you getting this from? According to Worldometer, The US has had 1 million Covid deaths, 350,000 of which happened in 2020, the rest in 2021 and 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone who watched orange fatso’s handling of covid - “letting it burn through the population” - which is EXACTLY what he did - would even ask this question.

China handled it smartly. We handled it stupidly. And we lost 6,000,000 Americans in 2 years.

China has 5x our population and lost a fraction of the people we lost. That’s what trump got us. 6 million dead.

You could be right about trump's handling of the pandemic but it is pretty sure that Chinese death numbers are not correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone who watched orange fatso’s handling of covid - “letting it burn through the population” - which is EXACTLY what he did - would even ask this question.

China handled it smartly. We handled it stupidly. And we lost 6,000,000 Americans in 2 years.

China has 5x our population and lost a fraction of the people we lost. That’s what trump got us. 6 million dead.

China is such a benevolent entity. Power to the people, right PP?

LOL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

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Anonymous wrote:The traditional bargain was economic freedom and opportunity in return for accepting the CCP. Lockdowns are cratering their economy and killing that deal. Something has to give, the question is whether or not Xi can survive millions of deaths that will follow the lockdown being lifted

Is COVID going to tear through China the way it tore through the US in the early days - just so many hospitalizations, so many deaths? It's hard to even remember what it was like back when this all started here, other than it was terrifying, sad, and horrible.

Will that spill out into other countries again then, too, or are most places more protected because so many people have already gotten the virus and/or vaccine?

Omicron isn't as deadly, but they have a population who lacks exposure and vaccinations. On a per capita basis, it may not be as bad because of omicron, but in absolute numbers, I'd expect it to be bad

Because vaccines. If there are millions of unvaccinated, it is just as deadly.

Come on people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dont think you need a China expert to know that there must be a flaw in your reasoning.

China has higher diabetes rates than the U.S. too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

Poe's law is hard enough with just sarcasm and ridiculous yet earnest comments, adding trolls has made discerning intent impossible

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The traditional bargain was economic freedom and opportunity in return for accepting the CCP. Lockdowns are cratering their economy and killing that deal. Something has to give, the question is whether or not Xi can survive millions of deaths that will follow the lockdown being lifted

Is COVID going to tear through China the way it tore through the US in the early days - just so many hospitalizations, so many deaths? It's hard to even remember what it was like back when this all started here, other than it was terrifying, sad, and horrible.

Will that spill out into other countries again then, too, or are most places more protected because so many people have already gotten the virus and/or vaccine?

Omicron isn't as deadly, but they have a population who lacks exposure and vaccinations. On a per capita basis, it may not be as bad because of omicron, but in absolute numbers, I'd expect it to be bad

Because vaccines. If there are millions of unvaccinated, it is just as deadly.

Come on people.

That's not what any of the literature is saying

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

Troll gonna troll

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

Troll gonna troll

I can assure you I’m definitely not a troll.

What I AM is someone who’s had their fill of the “muh freedumbs” idiots over the last few years. Freedumb IS the problem. This country has too much of it, and these idiots can’t handle it. So yes, I admire the Chinese, for the way their citizens understand personal responsibility and for the way the govt doesn’t allow the stupidity we’ve seen here during the pandemic. We the opposite end of the spectrum from China. The ideal point would be somewhere in the middle. Closer to where UK/Canada/Australia/NZ would’ve been IF they didn’t have their own freedumb loons mucking things up. Inspired by American freedumb loons, btw.

So yes, I look longingly towards being more like China.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

Troll gonna troll

I can assure you I’m definitely not a troll.

What I AM is someone who’s had their fill of the “muh freedumbs” idiots over the last few years. Freedumb IS the problem. This country has too much of it, and these idiots can’t handle it. So yes, I admire the Chinese, for the way their citizens understand personal responsibility and for the way the govt doesn’t allow the stupidity we’ve seen here during the pandemic. We the opposite end of the spectrum from China. The ideal point would be somewhere in the middle. Closer to where UK/Canada/Australia/NZ would’ve been IF they didn’t have their own freedumb loons mucking things up. Inspired by American freedumb loons, btw.

So yes, I look longingly towards being more like China.

Ask the Uyrghurs how the Chinese gov't is so caring and benevolent towards them.

[Anonymous]

The people expected protection. Zero COVID was a good policy at first, they were able to quickly contain it. China did not suffer economic setbacks to the degree that the US did, nor did their kids lose two years of school. There were several quotes in NYT by Chinese people saying they would have rioted if the government acted like they did here. Didn’t you see the PPE their doctors had in 2020? Ours were in bandanas.

Now obviously they need to pivot but at least there are vaccinations and medications. They’ll be fine.

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This is a good article about the situation:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/28/china-abandon-zero-covid-protests-mass-vaccination

No I know all of this. My question was why the initial policy in 2020 was taken?

I know Chinese are big on saving face which means doubling down on terrible policy but the initial 2020 “zero covid” policy never made sense to me

Other countries made zero COVID work— like Australia and New Zealand. But, we’re island-bubbles, and had a robust vaccine campaign.

They managed it for a little while. New Zealand lost the battle in February:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/

Australia lost the battle in January:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

In 1/2022 and 2/2022. Which is exactly what I said. That they did zero COVID until they were able to get the population vaxxed (and boosted for the vulnerable) and get processes for infections and treatment in place. They both had a significant number of infections when they opened up to the rest of the world— very low COVID deaths as a percentage of infections. Under 4000 death in NZ with 2 million infections. Just over 1600 deaths in Australia with 10 million infections. .016% of those infected died.

People don’t understand that you want to wait to get sick in a pandemic. The virus will have mutated, there will be treatments, and hospitals won’t be full.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people expected protection. Zero COVID was a good policy at first, they were able to quickly contain it. China did not suffer economic setbacks to the degree that the US did, nor did their kids lose two years of school. There were several quotes in NYT by Chinese people saying they would have rioted if the government acted like they did here. Didn’t you see the PPE their doctors had in 2020? Ours were in bandanas.

Now obviously they need to pivot but at least there are vaccinations and medications. They’ll be fine.

Their children are not fine.

Not fine at all.