Can a China expert explain why xi didn’t let covid burn through the population?

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Anonymous wrote:China locked down because they wanted more information and date on the virus after it was exported.

The rub is, China knows less about it now than in 2020 as the “vaccinated” west now deals with populations that could handle things like rsv and strep A but pose a new challenge.

So China is going to have all sorts of issues beyond Covid.

Their plan was to wait out, use the world as their Petri dish but their population got tired of their plan. Xi realized he needed another 2-5 years for his plan to play out and went to plan b.

China is having all kinds of issues because their vaccines weren't the same as the western mRNA vaccines and were nowhere near as effective.

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That and I understand their country is under-vaccinated because in a country of “zero covid” many felt confident that they wouldn’t need it.

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Anonymous wrote:But China only wants to protect the people. It’s such a benevolent nation

I wouldn’t call them benevolent, but they definitely handled covid better. We could learn a lot from them. Not just in how the government administers it’s authority, but how the people accept it. We’d be better off as a nation if we were more like China.

Troll gonna troll

I can assure you I’m definitely not a troll.

What I AM is someone who’s had their fill of the “muh freedumbs” idiots over the last few years. Freedumb IS the problem. This country has too much of it, and these idiots can’t handle it. So yes, I admire the Chinese, for the way their citizens understand personal responsibility and for the way the govt doesn’t allow the stupidity we’ve seen here during the pandemic. We the opposite end of the spectrum from China. The ideal point would be somewhere in the middle. Closer to where UK/Canada/Australia/NZ would’ve been IF they didn’t have their own freedumb loons mucking things up. Inspired by American freedumb loons, btw.

So yes, I look longingly towards being more like China.

China is stupid in their own way. Surely you must realize that. They resort to lockdowns because they don’t have a decent vaccine. If they could have provided their citizens that, they likely could have opened up with masks and it would have been ok there.

Also calling anyone who dares to question the cost/benefits of Covid mitigation measures as “freedumbs” shows you are simple minded and most likely sheltered. What made sense in March 2020 eventually did not anymore.

I'm not even sure what we did made sense in March 2020, either. Our public health officials panicked, and basically ignored decades of planning on how to handle disease outbreaks and just kind of engaged in a race to see who could be the most restrictive, before some places decided to dial it back, and eventually end restrictions. It's good that we live in a federal republic, where states could push back on the narrative and try different, less restrictive approaches, rather than being stuck with a top-down, one-size fits all approach.

People living in NYC would call out your dismissive tone for the bullsh1t it is. Hospitals and EMS were overwhelmed. As were funeral homes and crematoria.

One could argue that the measures weren’t enough in NYC yet overkill elsewhere.

Or, one could argue that because the measures weren’t enough in NYC, where it hit first, the rest of the country took measure to not be like NYC.

Please, what part of our country took more draconian measures than NYC? NYC was the only place with all employer vax mandates, the first to implement vaxxports, and the ONLY place where 5+ KIDS were required to be vaxed to attend public places and childhood activities and sports. They did all the testing and tracing and required Covid infected to confirm each day that they didn't leave their quarantine. They built make shift overflow hospitals and a huge Navy ship was brought to provide thousands of beds. None of it was really used, but this was the only place where temp hospital capacity ramp up was taken seriously.

Sovreign tribal nations. Mask mandate indoors are STILL in place. Employer vaccination mandates, nightly curfews backed by local police and fines, even every-weekend 57 hour lockdowns through summer 2020. FEMA tents, hospital bed wards in school gyms, all of it.

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Older people are respected in China and Asia in general. There is no real herd immunity when you are talking about a virus that mutates and they don't have a good vaccine. For some reason they won't use the western vaccine.

+1. Aging population + the Chinese vaccine (Synovac ???) isn’t the mRNA technology. And Chinese nationalism prevents them from accepting the mRNA vaccine and admitting the American vaccine is superior. Also, they told Modera and Pfizer they wouldn’t “accept” their vaccines until they also got the intellectual property. Which for obvious reasons is never gonna happen.

Result: one of the only nations with very little immunity (and still no vaccine). They have really painted themselves into a corner. They are still where we were in fall 2020, except no vaccine on the horizon. I’ve seen projections of well over a million deaths of they open back up now.

Wow. I didn’t know some of this. Thank you for explaining this all.

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What I don’t get is why they haven’t developed a better vaccine by now. What has happened to their scientists? Their laboratories?

What is so frustrating about COVID anti-vaxx conspiracies is that mRNA technology is a once is a generation medical breakthrough. And it probably saved millions of American lives. Without it, we’d all have the J&J shot. Which is something. But there is a reason most places don’t offer it. Sometimes medical Ed. breakthroughs don’t happen on demand. We got lucky with Pfizer and Moderna— which we’re ironically in the works in 3/2020 as possible vaccines for SARS and MERS.

If you are so sure mRNA is a way to go and the future of all vaccination why are you using the word "probably" when talking about saving lives? Hmm.. I would expect a more assertive statement from someone so sure

Probbily modifies millions of lives. Not an epidemiologist. I can’t begin to look at the data and say 600,000, 1 million, 5 million lives saved. I know it saved a lot of American lives.

I know we have COVID in our house right now. I have the most recent booster had a moderate cold symptoms and took cold meds for 3 days— and worked through it (telework). My college kid came home when I was on day six. We wore masks indoors. He had not bothered to get the booster and is sick enough they started him on Pxlogid— despite his being only 20. My husband and daughter are booster and haven’t gotten sick.

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Older people are respected in China and Asia in general. There is no real herd immunity when you are talking about a virus that mutates and they don't have a good vaccine. For some reason they won't use the western vaccine.

+1. Aging population + the Chinese vaccine (Synovac ???) isn’t the mRNA technology. And Chinese nationalism prevents them from accepting the mRNA vaccine and admitting the American vaccine is superior. Also, they told Modera and Pfizer they wouldn’t “accept” their vaccines until they also got the intellectual property. Which for obvious reasons is never gonna happen.

Result: one of the only nations with very little immunity (and still no vaccine). They have really painted themselves into a corner. They are still where we were in fall 2020, except no vaccine on the horizon. I’ve seen projections of well over a million deaths of they open back up now.

Wow. I didn’t know some of this. Thank you for explaining this all.

NP

What I don’t get is why they haven’t developed a better vaccine by now. What has happened to their scientists? Their laboratories?

What is so frustrating about COVID anti-vaxx conspiracies is that mRNA technology is a once is a generation medical breakthrough. And it probably saved millions of American lives. Without it, we’d all have the J&J shot. Which is something. But there is a reason most places don’t offer it. Sometimes medical Ed. breakthroughs don’t happen on demand. We got lucky with Pfizer and Moderna— which we’re ironically in the works in 3/2020 as possible vaccines for SARS and MERS.

If you are so sure mRNA is a way to go and the future of all vaccination why are you using the word "probably" when talking about saving lives? Hmm.. I would expect a more assertive statement from someone so sure

Probbily modifies millions of lives. Not an epidemiologist. I can’t begin to look at the data and say 600,000, 1 million, 5 million lives saved. I know it saved a lot of American lives.

I know we have COVID in our house right now. I have the most recent booster had a moderate cold symptoms and took cold meds for 3 days— and worked through it (telework). My college kid came home when I was on day six. We wore masks indoors. He had not bothered to get the booster and is sick enough they started him on Pxlogid— despite his being only 20. My husband and daughter are booster and haven’t gotten sick.

I would suspect the boosted teleworking mom with minimal symptoms initially is still at higher risk than the symptomatic college kid on paxlovid.

Are you also taking paxlovid? Have any of you previously had Covid?

I wish you all a quick and full recovery.

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Meanwhile, here come all the other diseases we once had eradicated...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/02/24/unvaccinated-boy-measles-costa-rica-first-case-5-years/2973582002/

Vaccines work. Use them.